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A balanced healthy diet which includes fats is much healthier.

Down with food nazis

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-14948261

The study you point to is important for mums to be, samsc, but you can turn silly trying to heed every new piece of research as they are often contradictory.

I tend to be wary of the products with the'low fat' label as often they've got masses of sugar or, even worse, artificial sweeteners.

The main thing I try to avoid are saturated fats.

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The study you point to is important for mums to be, samsc, but you can turn silly trying to heed every new piece of research as they are often contradictory.

I tend to be wary of the products with the'low fat' label as often they've got masses of sugar or, even worse, artificial sweeteners.

The main thing I try to avoid are saturated fats.

I know it was for mums to be but it highlights the unexpected consequence of food advice. The point I was trying to make is, rather than bamboozling the populace with snippets of food advice (e.g. eat oily fish, ,......but latest research says not more than 3 times a week) we should get back to teaching variety and moderation.

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I know it was for mums to be but it highlights the unexpected consequence of food advice. The point I was trying to make is, rather than bamboozling the populace with snippets of food advice (e.g. eat oily fish, ,......but latest research says not more than 3 times a week) we should get back to teaching variety and moderation.

You're on the button there, samsc. :)

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I know it was for mums to be but it highlights the unexpected consequence of food advice. The point I was trying to make is, rather than bamboozling the populace with snippets of food advice (e.g. eat oily fish, ,......but latest research says not more than 3 times a week) we should get back to teaching variety and moderation.

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I agree moderation in eating habits is essential.I think the message regarding obesity levels isn't getting through.I was in the city centre today and lost count of the number of morbidly obese young adults waddling along the streets,all grazing on the hoof.

Everywhere Take-aways surrounded by fatties all stuffing their faces as if there was no tomorrow,and for many there wont be.

Would parents not have some kind of conversation with their very own Billy Bunters to steer them away from the fast foods counter.Oh and it's nothing to do with poverty...remember the 40s and 50s?remember soup?,small portions?less meat and more veg?Thought not.

The diabetes epidemic causing early mortality, not to mention the pressures on an already overstretched N.H.S.don't bear thinking about.This is an easily preventable condition,and the fact that portion control has gone out the window is the main culprit, combined with the stuff(you can't call it food)that people are putting into their bodies.

Obesity in a few short years has become the norm,and couple that with alcohol consumption and you've got a straight flush.

Has anyone been in a charity shop recently and seen sets of wine glasses from a few years ago?They look like dolls glasses compared to the buckets booze is served in nowadays.No wonder cirrhotic livers are being seen in patients in their 20s.This is unheard of until recently,but now commonplace.

I batter on about this a lot I know,i'm no food nazi,because everyone deserves as long and healthy a life as possible,but when will the public waken up to being responsible for their own health?

With the nanny state backing them to the hilt,and picking up the pieces,not anytime soon I fear,

Willie.x.

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I agree moderation in eating habits is essential.I think the message regarding obesity levels isn't getting through.I was in the city centre today and lost count of the number of morbidly obese young adults waddling along the streets,all grazing on the hoof.

Everywhere Take-aways surrounded by fatties all stuffing their faces as if there was no tomorrow,and for many there wont be.

Would parents not have some kind of conversation with their very own Billy Bunters to steer them away from the fast foods counter.Oh and it's nothing to do with poverty...remember the 40s and 50s?remember soup?,small portions?less meat and more veg?Thought not.

The diabetes epidemic causing early mortality, not to mention the pressures on an already overstretched N.H.S.don't bear thinking about.This is an easily preventable condition,and the fact that portion control has gone out the window is the main culprit, combined with the stuff(you can't call it food)that people are putting into their bodies.

Obesity in a few short years has become the norm,and couple that with alcohol consumption and you've got a straight flush.

Has anyone been in a charity shop recently and seen sets of wine glasses from a few years ago?They look like dolls glasses compared to the buckets booze is served in nowadays.No wonder cirrhotic livers are being seen in patients in their 20s.This is unheard of until recently,but now commonplace.

I batter on about this a lot I know,i'm no food nazi,because everyone deserves as long and healthy a life as possible,but when will the public waken up to being responsible for their own health?

With the nanny state backing them to the hilt,and picking up the pieces,not anytime soon I fear,

Willie.x.

No much of a nanny if you ask me, Willie. So far as my understanding goes there is a huge link between most health problems and being lower down the social scale. In some deprived areas you can't buy an apple unless you've won the lottery.

Twenty first century problems of growing obesity and teenage alcoholics don't seem to be responding to health education. The more depressed people get the worse health problems will become. A doughnut or a large voddy can be awful tempting when times are tough.

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No much of a nanny if you ask me, Willie. So far as my understanding goes there is a huge link between most health problems and being lower down the social scale. In some deprived areas you can't buy an apple unless you've won the lottery.

Twenty first century problems of growing obesity and teenage alcoholics don't seem to be responding to health education. The more depressed people get the worse health problems will become. A doughnut or a large voddy can be awful tempting when times are tough.

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Go on holiday to Spain, observe the fact that their fruit and veg is dirt cheap whereas their chocolate bars are exorbitant.

I was impressed while in Canada that any plate of sandwiches in a wee cafe type place was always garnished with fruit, maybe a few grapes or berries or slices of melon etc. I also noted that even the kids voluntarily ordered salads as starters and fruit was always chosen as dessert !! Here, the cafe's seem to think we are impressed if we get a few crisps on the plate. Maybe with a few cress leaves tossed around the plate too, if you are lucky. We need a change in attitude from retailers & food suppliers etc. I think.

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Hi Canny,

I think we are comparing apples and oranges here.

Go back a few decades and you have the same social deprivation,and indeed many men lost themselves in drink for a few hours a week.However I think you will find that women and teenagers weren't drinking themselves into oblivion as they are today,and that's when they are not eating take-aways to keep there obesity up!

An acquaintance involved in healthcare tells of many young mothers whose children's staple diet is chinese carry-outs,alternated with chips and tomato sauce washed down with Scotlands other national drink.That sounds far fetched but is the norm in many districts.They do their best to educate these young single mothers in nutrition,but most come from single parent homes themselves, and were brought up on the same diet.None of these carry-out meals have any real vitamin or nutrient value,and are relatively expensive,so if they cant afford fruit its because they choose to spend on the aforementioned.I am sure an apple wont be a tourist attraction,but they are rarely bought.

Consequently their offspring is obese but mal- nourished.As I said previously,havn't they heard of soup,and of course they have but they don't have a clue how to make it.Sad. I don't believe living on benefits,or being low paid is an excuse for obesity.It takes a lot of carry-outs to keep these bloaters that size.

My mother spent many years making ends meet on very little money,but we three ate well,were, and are thin,and relatively healthy.The Health Service was set up to deal with the nations health,but you've got to meet the service half way and take some responsibilty for your own health.They don't.

We now have to have special ambulances,strengthened beds,gastric bands for goodness sake etc.etc.,what a waste of our hard earned money that could be directed to healing genuinly sick people,rather than self inflicted conditions brought on by being unable to say no to yet another sausage roll,or bucket of booze.Oh and I dont believe the food addiction palava..they are never addicted to vegetables,only Greggs.

Aneurin Bevan would be birling in his grave if he knew what our N.H.S. is used for,

All views welcome,

Willie.x.

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Hi Canny,

I think we are comparing apples and oranges here.

Go back a few decades and you have the same social deprivation,and indeed many men lost themselves in drink for a few hours a week.However I think you will find that women and teenagers weren't drinking themselves into oblivion as they are today,and that's when they are not eating take-aways to keep there obesity up!

An acquaintance involved in healthcare tells of many young mothers whose children's staple diet is chinese carry-outs,alternated with chips and tomato sauce washed down with Scotlands other national drink.That sounds far fetched but is the norm in many districts.They do their best to educate these young single mothers in nutrition,but most come from single parent homes themselves, and were brought up on the same diet.None of these carry-out meals have any real vitamin or nutrient value,and are relatively expensive,so if they cant afford fruit its because they choose to spend on the aforementioned.I am sure an apple wont be a tourist attraction,but they are rarely bought.

Consequently their offspring is obese but mal- nourished.As I said previously,havn't they heard of soup,and of course they have but they don't have a clue how to make it.Sad. I don't believe living on benefits,or being low paid is an excuse for obesity.It takes a lot of carry-outs to keep these bloaters that size.

My mother spent many years making ends meet on very little money,but we three ate well,were, and are thin,and relatively healthy.The Health Service was set up to deal with the nations health,but you've got to meet the service half way and take some responsibilty for your own health.They don't.

We now have to have special ambulances,strengthened beds,gastric bands for goodness sake etc.etc.,what a waste of our hard earned money that could be directed to healing genuinly sick people,rather than self inflicted conditions brought on by being unable to say no to yet another sausage roll,or bucket of booze.Oh and I dont believe the food addiction palava..they are never addicted to vegetables,only Greggs.

Aneurin Bevan would be birling in his grave if he knew what our N.H.S. is used for,

All views welcome,

Willie.x.

To my knowledge, weans n mothers believe spaghetti hoops are a vegetable. Because they are served up/ offered in "restuarants" to weans in this country along wi the chicken nuggets ( protein) chips (carbs) so the maws think they have provided a GOOD MEAL for the wean.

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Hi Canny,

I think we are comparing apples and oranges here.

Go back a few decades and you have the same social deprivation,and indeed many men lost themselves in drink for a few hours a week.However I think you will find that women and teenagers weren't drinking themselves into oblivion as they are today,and that's when they are not eating take-aways to keep there obesity up!

An acquaintance involved in healthcare tells of many young mothers whose children's staple diet is chinese carry-outs,alternated with chips and tomato sauce washed down with Scotlands other national drink.That sounds far fetched but is the norm in many districts.They do their best to educate these young single mothers in nutrition,but most come from single parent homes themselves, and were brought up on the same diet.None of these carry-out meals have any real vitamin or nutrient value,and are relatively expensive,so if they cant afford fruit its because they choose to spend on the aforementioned.I am sure an apple wont be a tourist attraction,but they are rarely bought.

Consequently their offspring is obese but mal- nourished.As I said previously,havn't they heard of soup,and of course they have but they don't have a clue how to make it.Sad. I don't believe living on benefits,or being low paid is an excuse for obesity.It takes a lot of carry-outs to keep these bloaters that size.

My mother spent many years making ends meet on very little money,but we three ate well,were, and are thin,and relatively healthy.The Health Service was set up to deal with the nations health,but you've got to meet the service half way and take some responsibilty for your own health.They don't.

We now have to have special ambulances,strengthened beds,gastric bands for goodness sake etc.etc.,what a waste of our hard earned money that could be directed to healing genuinly sick people,rather than self inflicted conditions brought on by being unable to say no to yet another sausage roll,or bucket of booze.Oh and I dont believe the food addiction palava..they are never addicted to vegetables,only Greggs.

Aneurin Bevan would be birling in his grave if he knew what our N.H.S. is used for,

All views welcome,

Willie.x.

Obesity is certainly a massive health problem, Willie. I wonder what the percentage of people there is who 'meet the health service half way'. There are so many problems, including: alcohol and drug abuse, food related illnesses such as anorexia, bulimia and obesity. I know folk with conditions such as diverticulitis, who can't give up their caffeine addiction, then there's the asthmatics who can't give up their fags.

I think there is considerable awareness these days regarding what constitutes a healthy diet but this isn't all that is required. There are many obstacles to tackling obesity including low self-esteem; it seems to me that denigrating people and giving them labels such as Billy Bunter, doesn't help the 'they' you speak of.

I'm overweight, although, this can still come as a shock to me after having been very slim for most of my life. I have been subjected to many digs about my weight and indeed I would like to be slimmer. But so far the insults have not worked. :rolleyes:

By the way, I've just made the soup. :P

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Hi Canny,

I think we are comparing apples and oranges here.

Go back a few decades and you have the same social deprivation,and indeed many men lost themselves in drink for a few hours a week.However I think you will find that women and teenagers weren't drinking themselves into oblivion as they are today,and that's when they are not eating take-aways to keep there obesity up!

An acquaintance involved in healthcare tells of many young mothers whose children's staple diet is chinese carry-outs,alternated with chips and tomato sauce washed down with Scotlands other national drink.That sounds far fetched but is the norm in many districts.They do their best to educate these young single mothers in nutrition,but most come from single parent homes themselves, and were brought up on the same diet.None of these carry-out meals have any real vitamin or nutrient value,and are relatively expensive,so if they cant afford fruit its because they choose to spend on the aforementioned.I am sure an apple wont be a tourist attraction,but they are rarely bought.

Consequently their offspring is obese but mal- nourished.As I said previously,havn't they heard of soup,and of course they have but they don't have a clue how to make it.Sad. I don't believe living on benefits,or being low paid is an excuse for obesity.It takes a lot of carry-outs to keep these bloaters that size.

My mother spent many years making ends meet on very little money,but we three ate well,were, and are thin,and relatively healthy.The Health Service was set up to deal with the nations health,but you've got to meet the service half way and take some responsibilty for your own health.They don't.

We now have to have special ambulances,strengthened beds,gastric bands for goodness sake etc.etc.,what a waste of our hard earned money that could be directed to healing genuinly sick people,rather than self inflicted conditions brought on by being unable to say no to yet another sausage roll,or bucket of booze.Oh and I dont believe the food addiction palava..they are never addicted to vegetables,only Greggs.

Aneurin Bevan would be birling in his grave if he knew what our N.H.S. is used for,

All views welcome,

Willie.x.

We have certainly been here before on this one, Willie. I believe there is a lot of good work going into raising awareness about health issues. There has been record investment in helping people to stop smoking and cut down on alcohol and tackling obesity is now coming to the fore. Social marketing has a big part to play in geting the messge across to people and making people aware of the health problems they may be storing up for themselves is much more effective that shaming people, IMV. Unfortunately, people who are overweight are singled out for much more negative comments than people who are struggling with other "self inflicted" health issues.

I am not sure whether Bevan would be burlin' or not, to be honest. The NHS is still capable of delivering excellent care and some of the specialisms within the NHS are respected world wide. Sure, the NHS struggles to met the needs of an aging population and chronic health problems associated with a whole range of "self inflicted" ailments but comparitively speaking, problems and costs associated with alcohol and smoking far outweigh problems related to obesity.

My mammy also fed us well on a limited budget but she also exposed us to years of passive smoking without batting an eyelid. :lol:

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Name a deprived area where you cannot buy an apple?

You should read posts correctly Mr St Clair. What I was getting at was the price of food in the wee corner shop on the estate. The quality tends to be poor and the prices high. Particularly for stuff like fruit and veg. Hence the reason that Fruit and Veg Co-ops and Healthy Eating Schemes have been encouraged through community initiatives in deprived areas. Great projects they are too.

Another reason they are popular is that mums and three or four weans with no can't always find the fares to the supermarket and back. You just don't see supermarkets setting up in the middle of lower income areas. Even the Co-operative closed in Drumchapel.

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We have certainly been here before on this one, Willie. I believe there is a lot of good work going into raising awareness about health issues. There has been record investment in helping people to stop smoking and cut down on alcohol and tackling obesity is now coming to the fore. Social marketing has a big part to play in geting the messge across to people and making people aware of the health problems they may be storing up for themselves is much more effective that shaming people, IMV. Unfortunately, people who are overweight are singled out for much more negative comments than people who are struggling with other "self inflicted" health issues.

I am not sure whether Bevan would be burlin' or not, to be honest. The NHS is still capable of delivering excellent care and some of the specialisms within the NHS are respected world wide. Sure, the NHS struggles to met the needs of an aging population and chronic health problems associated with a whole range of "self inflicted" ailments but comparitively speaking, problems and costs associated with alcohol and smoking far outweigh problems related to obesity.

My mammy also fed us well on a limited budget but she also exposed us to years of passive smoking without batting an eyelid. :lol:

You're talking sense, harper. Weight is not the only issue on the health agenda. But most of the anti-obesity squad have just moved on from their last prejudice. They must be lonely people or maybe the just live in thin families and meet their thin friends so that they can all feel superior together. :lol: I am more of a Beyonce than a Kylie but I do know a few wee Kylie look a likes who are greedy buggers. I may be jealous but I still love them. I don't choose my friends because they are thin, fat, smokers, non-smokers, drug takers, drinkers or abstainers, tall, small, black or white, gay or straight. I would draw the line at the obnoxious and the narrow minded are a no go area.

I think that a lot of these thin people who complain that they are worried about the nations' health really just like to moan and feel superior. They might just be irritable because of all the coffee they drink to curb their appetites or maybe they're ready for their next fix of baccy. That doesn't make them bad people but they can be bores of hell. If any of my friends who fall into these categories decide to quit the fags, cut down on the coffee or the booze then I will offer my support and encouragement. So far as my patience holds out. I'll do the same if someone is trying to loose weight. Few of us are perfect. No even you, Willie.

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You should read posts correctly Mr St Clair. What I was getting at was the price of food in the wee corner shop on the estate. The quality tends to be poor and the prices high. Particularly for stuff like fruit and veg. Hence the reason that Fruit and Veg Co-ops and Healthy Eating Schemes have been encouraged through community initiatives in deprived areas. Great projects they are too.

Another reason they are popular is that mums and three or four weans with no can't always find the fares to the supermarket and back. You just don't see supermarkets setting up in the middle of lower income areas. Even the Co-operative closed in Drumchapel.

But... To my knowledge, in Drumchapel several "corner shops" sell a bag containing 5/6 peices of fruit for £1.00. Usually an apple or two , orange, clementine, banana and plums. Many mums spend a £1.00 or more on sweets & crisps daily but more of them are buying these "kids fruit bags". They are great value compared to the big supermarkets offering of prepacked fruit salad which also cost about a £1.00 and the savvy mums know that.

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But... To my knowledge, in Drumchapel several "corner shops" sell a bag containing 5/6 peices of fruit for £1.00. Usually an apple or two , orange, clementine, banana and plums. Many mums spend a £1.00 or more on sweets & crisps daily but more of them are buying these "kids fruit bags". They are great value compared to the big supermarkets offering of prepacked fruit salad which also cost about a £1.00 and the savvy mums know that.

Good idea, Hingmie. I've never fancied the prepacked fruit salad. How can it be fresh?

Canny Lass, you sound like a good friend. Although, can't say what Willie will think. :lol:

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Dear ladies and gentlemen,

it has been wonderfull reading all the replies and differing views to this interesting topic.It's certainly got everyones juices and passions flowing,but I will have to agree to disagree the best way forward.

As a teetotaler since 1980,and a lifelong non-smoker I will put in my thoughts on dealing with the issues surrounding these products when I come back from a week in Inverness.

And to the lady who said that "even I wasn't perfect",how could I be,I'm a man for goodness sake..and a thin one at that.

I look forward to even more heated debates,

Willie.x.

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Dear ladies and gentlemen,

it has been wonderfull reading all the replies and differing views to this interesting topic.It's certainly got the juices and passions flowing.I will have to agree to disagree the best way forward.

As a teetotal since 1980,and a lifelong non-smoker I will put in my thoughts on dealing with the issues surrounding them when I come back from a week in Inverness.

And to the lady who said that "even I wasn't perfect",how could I be,I'm a man for goodness sake.

I look forward to even more heated debates,

Willie.x.

Have a lovely trip, Willie. Don't overdo it on the haggis. :)

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