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Ched Evans and Rehabilitation

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Any thoughts on the rights and wrongs of Ched Evans returning to the game of football after serving a sentence for rape?

Should we be pleased he has the opportunity to integrate back into the community after serving his sentence? Should we be concerned about the return of someone convicted of rape to a national sport? Are we being hypocritical given the acceptance of murderers (Dirty Den actor in East Enders) (Jimmy Boyle) drug addicts, etc back into high profile positions in society if we think this is beyond the pale?

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I believe in the rehabilitation of offenders but I think his reinstatement to such a high profile role is provocative and ill advised. There are many jobs and professionals where a custodial sentence carries an automatic ban and I think this should include positions where someone may be viewed or promoted as a role model. I can see the arguments on both sides but on balance, I would have said no. I thinks it adds to an already tarnished image of premier league football.

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I think it sends out a message of acceptance and football players play such an influential role that it is not well advised. I'm always wondering when some of the bankers are going to feel the effects of their crimes.

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Think Paul Heaton has got it about right: "

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It is with great regret that I announce my resignation as patron of Sheffield United Community Foundation.

I would firstly like to salute the bravery of my fellow Blades and patrons in resigning their positions and in particular Charlie Webster, Jessica Ennis-Hill and Lindsay Graham, in standing up for victims of rape everywhere.

I firmly believe that Ched Evans has the right to rebuild his career in football but rebuilding a career should not involve walking straight out of prison and into the shirt of the club he so badly let down.

I believe he needs to move away and move on, and the club itself needs to lift its reputation out of the gutter.

As a way of showing a lead to others involved in this torrid affair, I will be donating my fee from this month's Sheffield City Hall gig to Sheffield Rape Crisis Centre.

Finally, I would like to thank the Foundation for its continued hard work in the Sheffield community and wish them the very best for the future.

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Evans maintains his innocence, of course and that may explain his reason for re-joining the club and standing tall - either way, it's controversial...

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i belie in the rehabilitation of offenders too but having a convicted rapist on the celeb spotlight is just wrong.

sex offenders are worse than murderers or junkies in my book and they should be shunned by society as a whole on their release.

look at it this way, if a x con murderer moved near you and your family youd be a bit worried but murderers dont tend to attack innocent people (in general) but if a sex offender moved close to you youd be having kittens and escorting your family about all over the place.

theyre different levels of socially unacceptable crimes

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I think your post is a bit nonsensical Tig. Murderers do attack innocent people, and, you know, kill them, hence the murder conviction...? Also, 'sex offender' is a very umbrella, catch all term. It goes from flashers right up to serious sexual abuse. If Ched Evans *is* innocent, as he maintains, then he's technically not a sex offender. There's lots of abuse and rape that goes on inside relationships that is never reported, you could be living near a serial rapist for all you know, they've just not been arrested.

As for rehabilitation, I'm all for it. If he's served his sentence he certainly should be given another chance to prove he's a decent human being, but not by Sheffield, and not by football. Too many people look at footballers to be role models, even in lower leagues, for him to be allowed back in to that world. Too many footballers (and musicians and actors etc etc...) over the years have been allowed to carry on with their lives whilst ignoring or forgetting those they have abused. Stan Collymore and Gazza were a bit handy with their fists. Roman Polanski anyone? And it's not just men abusing women, don't forget that (according to Govt. figures) 1 in 6 men in the UK will experience domestic violence. Rebekah Brooks apparently hit her then husband Ross Kemp on several occasions. And what about (allegedly) racially motivated attacks, such as Cheryl Cole beating a girl in a club toilet? Laura Bush killed someone whilst drink driving...

I think Paul Heaton and Jessica Ennis-Hill and the others have done the right thing. Sport in general, not just football, needs to show it stands against violence and abuse, whether that's sexual, racial or homophobic.

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there is a big difference lynski although i probably never explained it very well.

yes murders kill innocent people but most murders are incident or gang related so if your not in the scene then youl not genrally be a target... if you get my drift.

i know some do go on killing frenzies of innocents but that is quite rare indeed and the perpetrators rarely get out until theyre pensioners.

sex offenders are rightly shunned by society and should continue to be so. ched evans IS a sex offender, whether he gets off now on a technicality or not is irrelevant, he IS a convicted rapist and if you followed the case youd know it was a premeditated assault on an unconsciousness girl...he is not a "decent human being" in the slightest.

i dont know what the rest of your post has to do with anything really...are you saying its ok because other people have done it?

no company should employ convicted sex offenders full stop. they may have paid their dues to the court system but not to society, until they can display other wise.

not just sport but society in general has to show that these actions will not be tolerated and him simply doing a year (or whatever) in prison has no bearing on how society as a whole should treat him.

roman polanski is a convicted child rapist (in the US) and he fled to avoid the jail time and its totally outrageous that cinemas continue to show his movies in my opinion.

no crimes should be accepted in society but some crimes are less acceptable than others.

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I think your post is a bit nonsensical Tig. Murderers do attack innocent people, and, you know, kill them, hence the murder conviction...? Also, 'sex offender' is a very umbrella, catch all term. It goes from flashers right up to serious sexual abuse. If Ched Evans *is* innocent, as he maintains, then he's technically not a sex offender. There's lots of abuse and rape that goes on inside relationships that is never reported, you could be living near a serial rapist for all you know, they've just not been arrested.

As for rehabilitation, I'm all for it. If he's served his sentence he certainly should be given another chance to prove he's a decent human being, but not by Sheffield, and not by football. Too many people look at footballers to be role models, even in lower leagues, for him to be allowed back in to that world. Too many footballers (and musicians and actors etc etc...) over the years have been allowed to carry on with their lives whilst ignoring or forgetting those they have abused. Stan Collymore and Gazza were a bit handy with their fists. Roman Polanski anyone? And it's not just men abusing women, don't forget that (according to Govt. figures) 1 in 6 men in the UK will experience domestic violence. Rebekah Brooks apparently hit her then husband Ross Kemp on several occasions. And what about (allegedly) racially motivated attacks, such as Cheryl Cole beating a girl in a club toilet? Laura Bush killed someone whilst drink driving...

I think Paul Heaton and Jessica Ennis-Hill and the others have done the right thing. Sport in general, not just football, needs to show it stands against violence and abuse, whether that's sexual, racial or homophobic.

brilliant post Lynski

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Interesting and pretty sensible viewpoint expressed in The Guardian by Julie Bindel: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/18/feminism-rosetta-scientist-shirt-dapper-laughs-julien-blanc-inequality

"Ched Evans is the only Football League player who has been convicted of rape, out of the many who have been accused, and yet feminist energy at the moment is being directed towards him as an individual rather than towards a criminal justice system that fails rape victims. It has been long known that there is endemic misogyny within football. What are we doing about the culture within the sport that makes it OK for groups of men to use their power to lure young, impressionable women back to a hotel room and queue up to “roast” her? I want the FA to initiate a “Kick Sexism out of Football” campaign.

I have absolutely no sympathy for Evans, because he has refused to admit his guilt, and shown no remorse whatsoever. But I would far rather be waging a war against the FA for its inaction against endemic sexism in the game."

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