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Absolutely, Pat but was it ever different?

Quite a lot of unease within the Jewish community in London at the extent of Israel's "defence" and what is perceived as unbiased reporting. I am not seeing any reports of planned food parcels or technical support from the UK, unless you include selling arms.

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Scottish Government has sent medical aid and offered to treat wounded from Gaza in Scottish hospitals.

Israel has all of the cards in its favour, a compliant media, a disgusting unchecked support from the USA, its easy for people especially Palestinians and those supporting them to think the world has forgotten them. Gestures of support encourage others to raise their voice.

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all over the papers today about how the west are tripping over themselves to help the people in north iraq and rightly so though it would be good if they where so eager to help all people under the same threat eh.

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It's a very different approach in Iraq, tig, although, of course, those people also need help. Genocide in both Iraq and Gaza.

This is one of the best articles I have read on the topic. It's by Paul Mason and quite long but a great read with very thoughtful analysis.

Why Gaza Will Prove To Be A Game Changing Event

Social networks change our perception of war. I’ve written about this before, but seeing both journalists and Gazan citizens at work on Twitter and Facebook, spreading real-time, verifiable imagery of arbitrary killing of civilians has, most probably, been as big a shock to the global audience as, say, movie pictures of the trenches were in the first world war, and the first anti-war novels of the early 1920s. Many people say they can “feel” what it must be like: this is a big change from Iraq, where we saw the war through the nose-cameras of missiles, or satellite imagery from Centcom, or the occasional live-feed from the top of a hotel on 24-hour TV. - See more at: http://blogs.channel4.com/paul-mason-blog/gaza-prove-gamechanging-event/2118#sthash.PuTNNHtn.dpuf

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There can be no solution that does not take account of the history and origins of Arab-Israeli conflict. We set up Israel's right to be there. We cannot abandon Israel to its fate nor should we stand back and condone Israel's actions. There has to be a solution that protects both states to live peaceably in the region but who can act as an honest broker in this regard is beyond me... certainly can't be us.

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The UK could, at the very least, place and embargo on arms. And USA should stop vetoing votes at the UN.

There would have to be no blockades and two states but as you say, who is going to help get that sorted.

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Difficult, when they bear responsibility for the setting up of the State of Israel. What would happen to Israel in the region if they didn't have UK or American backing? The situation is complex.

Egypt is brokering a three day ceasefire. Israel won't enter into talks until HAMAS stop firing rockets. No doubt there will be conditions on both sides... Wait and watch ...

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Hamas won't stop firing rockets while Israeli snipers shoot civilians for fun. Hamas won't stop firing rockets while Israel bombs schools, hospitals and of course families playing on beaches. Hamas won't stop firing rockets while Israel keeps electricity and water from the people of Gaza.

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Really Sam, well if it is a war HAMAS are looking for they are getting one but one they are not big enough to win. BOTH sides need to get on board with the Egyptian peace proposal and then move forward to negotiate the removal of blockages and the lifting of sanctions. What is the alternative?

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Hammas are at fault to a degree but Israel had done exactly as it likes for yearsl. Long before Hammas was even around. The people of Palestine do not get the support they deserve.

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The problem seems to be actually defining those borders ...

West Bank: settlements, communities and facts

"Israeli settlements are not an obstacle to peace... The West Bank is disputed territory. No Palestinian-Arab state ever existed in the region. Palestinian-Arab residents currently have claims to the West Bank, where they want to build a state. Israel also has legal, historic, and security claims to this land. Many argue that the West Bank remains an unallocated portion of the Palestine Mandate of 1920 because the international community never recognized a new governing authority.

The Mandate, the last legal authority, stipulated that Jews should settle in the land. The legal rights accorded to Jews by the Mandate led many scholars to argue that the fourth Geneva convention, which sets rules about occupation of a foreign territory, does not apply to Israel and the West Bank. The 1993 Oslo Accords also do not prohibit Israelis or Palestinians from building communities in the West Bank.

Today, Israelis and Palestinian-Arabs both live in the West Bank. Their governments are trying to negotiate the future borders and decide which parts of the area will be under Israeli or PA jurisdiction. Until these negotiations conclude, there is no new sovereign authority that replaces the Mandate or an internationally recognized border...

Ideally, Jews should have the right to settle anywhere in the world, just as other national and religious groups do. If there is true peace, the Jewish right to continue to reside in the West Bank should not be abrogated, just as Israel’s 1.3 million Arab citizens (mainly of Palestinian descent) will have the right to remain in Israel even if a Palestinian state is created."

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The problem seems to be actually defining those borders ...

the borders where set our clearly firstly by the 1947 uk mandate then clarified by the UN accord in 1967.

there is no really disputing where they should be.

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Well, hope they get it sorted out. At least this ceasefire is lasting. The blockade is a scandal. Blocked by land, sea and air. It's an open prison and the people of Gaza have no freedom. No matter how you look at it – that is wrong.

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That, as they say, depends on who you ask ....

this is true of course, but if you ask the world governing body on such matters, the UN....theyl clearly tell you where their borders should be.

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what Sam said.

the even vetoed a UN investigation into war crimes and human rights violations carried out by the israelis

the US constantly using its veto make israel practically untouchable

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I think they need to change the rules at the UN. If only one nation consistently vetos then that needs to be examined. Of course, so many others abstaining including UK. Cameron has got a lot to answer for too.

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It's just unbearable watching the News. All kicked off again in Gaza, the terrible civil war in Syria, new interventions in Iraq and the public assassination of Foley, Sudan, Nigeria – we don't know how lucky we are – but what can be done?

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Up to a point, Sam. No one forces a regime to behead foreign journalists.... or kidnap and kill teenagers, for that matter. It all has to stop.

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