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I've always considered the Labour Party to be a national party, Rory. How can they justify differential party politics on student tuition fees?

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I've always considered the Labour Party to be a national party, Rory. How can they justify differential party politics on student tuition fees?

I think when we're talking about MSPs as opposed to MPs the nation in question is Scotland, harper.

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Yes, I understand that and I understand and support the position of the SNP on tuition fees but I would have thought that when it came to National parites there would have been some parity.... just an observation. smile.gif

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Yes, I understand that and I understand and support the position of the SNP on tuition fees but I would have thought that when it came to National parites there would have been some parity.... just an observation. smile.gif

I expect it becomes confusing at times. :rolleyes:

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No doubt the fact that prescription charges were abolished today won't do the SNP a bit of harm when it comes to the vote.

Ironically the charges took a hike of 20p in England - up to £7.40 for a prescription.

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Absolutely shocking. Interesting reporting in England tho.. claims that Scotland will have to do with 15,000 less nurses to pay for the cost of subsidising free prescriptions.

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Absolutely shocking. Interesting reporting in England tho.. claims that Scotland will have to do with 15,000 less nurses to pay for the cost of subsidising free prescriptions.

we make our own choices, England wants drop in centres, we want free prescriptions.

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Funnily enough, I don't remember being given a choice on health spending. dry.gif

I think we should shame England into doing the same or to subsidise them at least. I do think in this fair isle we call home, education and health charges should be free at the point of delivery and not subject to party politics.

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Funnily enough, I don't remember being given a choice on health spending. dry.gif

I think we should shame England into doing the same or to subsidise them at least. I do think in this fair isle we call home, education and health charges should be free at the point of delivery and not subject to party politics.

You cannot shame England :rolleyes:

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Salmond has given us a manifesto 'for the whole of Scotland' - well I should think so. Do you not just get so fed up with all the sound bites?

It sounds pretty promising (no pun intended):lol:

"...a five-year council tax freeze, 100,000 jobs for young people and 100% renewable energy by 2020 if the Scottish National party is returned to power at Holyrood."

Also in the manifesto: £1bn increase to NHS over the next four years, free universities for Scottish students, capital funding for repair of crumbling schools and £2.5 bn private investment - for projects such as a new Forth Road Bridge.

The Green Party say that we don't need a new bridge and that it would be cheaper to repair the existing one.

The Labour Party are reportedly slightly ahead of SNP at present and no doubt Gray's plans for mandatory six month prison sentence for carrying knives will be popular. Except no guarantee no that there will be no reoffending and where are the prisons to cope?

Ms Goldie is also playing the harsh sentence for prisoners card with the end to automatic early release. I don't think they are automatic. I think they go before the Parole Board and the carrot of early release helps encourage good behaviour. Also if they keep all the prisoners in for the duration of the sentence and pull in all the knife carriers then the only positive thing will be job creation for more prison officers.

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God, that reminds me, I haven't sold ma raffle tickets. You can guess how well they do down in England.

Glads, want to buy a raffle ticket for the SNP election campaign? tongue.gif

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'George Galloway's Coalition against the Cuts' - the poster caught my eye today. I wonder if Gorgeous George's rallying call will be sufficient to earn him the 6% of the Glasgow vote he needs to win a seat?

Some think he could be a contender:

"Glasgow is Scotland's multicultural hub and the south side of the city in particular, with its vibrant, long-established Pakistani community, has an old friendship with Galloway. On a recent campaign walkabout in Pollokshields, Galloway was greeted with handshakes and calls of "You're the man" and "We miss you, George". It's a key demographic for one of the UK's most outspoken and least publicity-shy pro-Palestinian anti-Americans."

Coupled with the smart move of overtly challenging the unpopular cuts - might not be too difficult for Mr Galloway to get those 12,000 votes he needs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/apr/14/george-galloway-scottish-politics-glasgow-holyrood

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That noise ladies and gentlemen is the bottom of the barrel being scraped :)

Sometimes you have to scrape the bottom of the barrel to get to the truth. :lol:

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It's enough to turn you off the SNP having The Sun as a backer.

Pensioners might consider voting for the All Scotland Pensioner Party - seeking £180 pension per week for every pensioner.

Then there's the Greens - scrapping plans for a new Forth Road Bridge and getting rid of Trident.

I wish male politicians wouldn't try to play football when they're out and about trying to boost their ratings. They just look daft.

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It seems that these days politics is about the personalities of the leaders and not much about their policies. I do not see any one in the running that I would want to vote for. Salmond is very smug and Grey not convincing. The one thing we can be grateful for is that Cameron is not a Scottish politician.

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It's enough to turn you off the SNP having The Sun as a backer.

I was turned off the SNP some time ago Pat for a variety of reasons, and I've no time for the Sun, so their position is irrelevant to me. Is it not one of Murdoch's papers tho' and therefore Tory? If so, then their backing simply amounts to being anti-Labour rather than pro-SNP I would have thought.

It seems that these days politics is about the personalities of the leaders and not much about their policies. I do not see any one in the running that I would want to vote for. Salmond is very smug and Grey not convincing.

Completely agree with you Rory - seems like we're copying the Americans in this as with everything else. Once again on the regional vote it will be "Alex Salmond for First Minister". And here was me thinking it was political parties that we voted for in Scotland :rolleyes:

You would think that the Nick Clegg experience would make people think twice about voting for personalities. Wonder if the Scottish party will invite him up to give their campaign "a boost" as the Tories did with Cameron :lol:

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Have to say, I like Alex Salmond and I think he has been good for the SNP and Scotland. England would kill for the socialist policies the SNP have implemented.

Salmond seems well able to represent the interests of Scotland without hacking of the rest of the UK. I think he is as admired in Westminster as he is at home, especially over his stance on the Iraq war.

What is it that you object to, Borderlass/rory?

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Have to say, I like Alex Salmond and I think he has been good for the SNP and Scotland. England would kill for the socialist policies the SNP have implemented.

Salmond seems well able to represent the interests of Scotland without hacking of the rest of the UK. I think he is as admired in Westminster as he is at home, especially over his stance on the Iraq war.

What is it that you object to, Borderlass/rory?

My objection is basically that it's supposed to be parliamentary democracy , and I feel that there's now too much emphasis now being placed on the personality of the leaders rather than the policies.

I have never liked Salmond and find him smug and arrogant and aggressive in his manner - that's just a personal opinion, tho' I have to say that it's shared by a number of people whom I know. What really annoys me is the manner in which he puts across his own views a being the views of the "people of Scotland" - he may well speak for those in his own party and his supporters but he certainly does not speak for me, nor for any of the people that I mix with.

I consider their policies to be me more "populist" than "socialist" and I'm not convinced that the money is available to pay for them. Even the universal free prescription - I'm on regular medication and while I'm certainly not well off it was no hardship for me to pay for my prescription.. £57 million a year out of the NHS budget is a lot of money at a time of heavy financial cuts. Then the council tax freeze for another 5 years - of course,everyone wants to pay as little as possible in tax, but we're living in the real world and it's just going to mean more service cuts. And that's before you start on student finance........ They're promising the earth so as to get back in but I just don't believe that all that they're promising has been properly costed.

I've just finished reading Andy Wightman's latest book "The Poor have no Lawyers" about land ownership issues - quite a revelation as to what's actually happening in Scotland. What is REALLY interesting though, is that none of the main parties are prepared to address the real issues. Well, you wouldn't expect the Tories to anything, but neither Labour nor the SNP nor the Lib Dems are interested - it's not just about the land, but about all the tax dodges. If the SNP get back in for the next 5 years, that one issue will be their chance to prove their socialist credential and I can virtually guarantee that they will be found wanting.

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SNP is a broad spectrum party, it has both a right wing and a left wing. Its job is to ultimately have itself done away with.

With regard to budgets, Scotland gets its block vote and does as it sees fit within its devolved remit. It therefore chooses to fund free prescriptions rather than 24 hour drop in centres being funded in England.

Love him or loath him, Salmond is probably the most capable politician Scotland has. You talk of the cult of personality then dismiss him because he has a smug looking face :rolleyes:

I look forward to a new SNP Government with an increased majority; its the only chance we have.

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Interesting points.

I was about to take issue with Borderlass's about populist policies, until I read Sam's statement about the SNP untimately making itself redundant and that worries me about the future sustainability of Scotland. Will the SNP lead Scotland to a status of Independence only to decalre "job done" and leave some other administration to patch things up? I had always assumed there was a long term commitment to the governing and sustainability of Scotland?

I understand the issue of resource allocation and I thin that is fair comment. England will just have to huff and puff on that one but it seems there is descent within Scotland as to whether these policies are sustainable. Are they just short term gains designed to win votes or has the SNP the will and the finances to sustain them long term?

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You talk of the cult of personality then dismiss him because he has a smug looking face :)

Err - I think I did give slightly more in way of an explanation in my reply to Harper - in fact, I might even have mentioned some of the SNP policies :lol:

There is actually an awful lot more I could say, both as to my reasons for disliking Salmond and as to my reasons for not believing that an SNP victory next month is in the best interests of Scotland. However, I have never felt inclined to get in to any debates on this issue on here. That is partly on account of some of the atttitudes I've observed on this forum in the past in the slanging matches that pass as political "debates". I simply responded to Harper's perfectly reasonable question, and you have chosen to put your own slant on what I said in a way that implies that I'm a shallow and unthinking person.

I do not have an allegiance to any political party but, like the majority of the population, I am NOT in favour of independence for Scotland. I think that the fact that there are many people who see Salmond as standing head and shoulders above the others, is more a reflection on the general poor calibre of our politicians these days rather than a reflection on Salmond. There are a whole host of reasons why I do not like the man, rather than the fact that I consider him to have a "smug expression" on his face :rolleyes:

Harper - there is a lot of dissent about whether the SNP have the money to back up their promises, and not just the SNP.

bbc article

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I have always felt that the issue of Independence for Scotland was an important issue to explore and debate and I have been a long term supporter of the SNP for that very reason. That said, I think it is important to question and challenge the issue every step of the way to ensure that the future of Scotland is based on sound economic factors. I think it is good to hear the arguments for and against and the people of Scotland shouldn't be afraid to say no, if the final analysis, it will do more harm than good.

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