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The welcome that awaited this murderer on his return kind of bears out my earlier comment about it being a PR coup for terrorism.

See the Daily M@sh for new of Peter Suttcliffes appeal !

I thought the welcome he got was based on the fact that he is believed to be innocent and not a celebration of the act he was convicted of.

Peter Sutcliffe appeal? On what grounds would that be on then?

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tee hee :lol::lol::lol:

HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA and indeed AHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAAAAAA, Lynnski! :lol:

Harper I think you're right in what you say. As the story enfolds, it's becoming tres convincing that there is new evidence that may (or may not) become public and may question the safety of Mr Megrahi's conviction.

Here's the article LG's referring to; from the 'alternative' Daily Mail. It's a website, written by journalists in their 'spare' time, at least one of whom is a Scot. The Ma*h is essential daily reading in the Tomassi household----and has health-giving properties due to the endorphins released when pissing yourself laughing ;)

WARNING! SOME OF THIS MAY NOT BE TRUE....(just like the real Daily Mail then..)

YORKSHIRE Ripper Peter Sutcliffe has begun digging for oil beneath his Broadmoor cell in the hope of bribing the authorities into letting him go.

In the event of a successful strike Sutcliffe hopes to negotiate his early release in return for full exploration rights and a series of generous tax concessions.

A Broadmoor source said: "As a back-up he's applied to join the Libyan secret service. He's written a lovely letter to Colonel Gadaffi and has hired an Arabic translator to help him fill in all the forms."

The move came as the Scottish government released terminally- ill Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi in time for Ramadan, the Islamic festival of onshore drilling.

Insisting the release was on compassionate grounds, Scottish justice secretary, Kenny MacAskill, said: "Jail is a terrible thing. I remember sitting in a police cell shortly after I was banged up for being completely arseholed at Wembley in 1999 and thinking, 'no one shoud have to put up with this, no matter how drunk they are, or how many planes they've blown up'."

He added: "And anyway prostate cancer is, quite frankly, a bugger. When you're facing mortality the last thing you need is to be bothered by a lot of insensitive prison officers and their noisy, jangling keys."

Meanwhile Scottish government sources stressed the Libyan's appeal was unlikely to have been heard before he died, mainly because it takes so long to say his full name.

But al-Megrahi's release has angered the British public with many claiming that when it comes to reasons for denying someone compassion, mass murder is about as good as it gets.

Tom Logan, an accountant from Finsbury Park, said: "If someone who had killed 270 people told me they had cancer, my natural reaction would be to say 'that must be just awful for you, I hope it's really sore'.

"I'm pretty sure I wouldn't come up with some bullshit excuse and then organise a private jet to fly them home."

Margaret Gerving, a retired headmistress from Guildford, added: "Harold Shipman would never have been released on compassionate grounds and he was a doctor so he would have been really good at faking it."

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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You must be one of the few, Brian.

I listen into Galloway's programme on the radio last night. Such is the way of things with the media over the past couple of days that hearing the background of the case debated was fascinating.

Ah take it Brian (am a fannie) wilson isnae wantin a contract tae sell windmills tae ra Libyans then, but he could dae them a deal on bein an apologist fur illegal wars, nuclear power etc

Funny how he forgot tae menshun anything aboot ra deal signed by Tony Bliar wae Gaddafhi aboot prisoner exchanges Hmmmm funny that

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I saw that live on BBC news.

Seemed quite convincing but maybe just "brazen".

Your head will hurt if you try to get at truth – it is hidden behind smoke and mirrors.

The case against al-Megrahi was circumstantial.

Equally there is a circumstantial case that governments are hiding the truth and are happy to see this as “case closed”.

- Did the American’s have prior warning of an attack?

- Was it linked to the the U.S. shooting down an Iranian passenger plane?

- Papers on Lockerbie will never be published due to a "public interest immunity certificate" being issued against them. What are they really trying to hide?

This is interesting - Dalyell asks Thatcher about Lockerbie

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- Did the American’s have prior warning of an attack?

Hansard. About a third of the way down, the Helsinki warning. It might have been nothing then but it's a bit of an eye-opener today.

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FBI chief chucks a tyre onto the fire and thickens the smokescreen. I doubt there are many of us here content to be lectured on justice and the rule of law by an official of the US government given the shenanigans in Cuba since 2001.

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This'll probably sneak under the radar.

I wonder where the funding for the activities of this man and his colleagues might have come from. Just pick a couple of names out of the air ... go on ... which countries do you think helped flood Ireland with firearms?

I baggsie the US and Libya.

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Labour in Scotland say that the decision to release was wrong.

With Kenny MacAskill's press conference sounding like a preaching from a minister - I wonder how this decision fits with Gordon Brown's "moral compass".

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Jim-Murphy-MP-001.jpg

"Hi God, Jim Murphy, Secretary of State for Scotland, here. Thank you for devolution. It's brilliant. My boss gets to shift a ton of shit onto the Nats at Holyrood and Kenny MacAskill gets it in the neck instead of me.

Cheers big man."

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FBI chief chucks a tyre onto the fire and thickens the smokescreen. I doubt there are many of us here content to be lectured on justice and the rule of law by an official of the US government given the shenanigans in Cuba since 2001.

Don't know about you guys, but I find Robert Mueller's comments really offensive. How dare he bleat about 'Where is the justice?" given the practices in his own country? By this I mean not only detaining people without trial but also the existence of the death penalty. That the US Judiciary continues to accept the eye-for-an-eye revenge policy shows them to be no better than the criminals they routinely execute.

Megrahi was released under Scots Law, which allows for compassionate release. Kenny McAskill has not made any exception for Megrahi, rather treated him like any other prisoner.

Admirable....and just.

It's been oft posited that the Lockerbie bomb was timed to go off mid-Atlantic and that flight delays caused the plane to be brought down over our airspace. I wonder what the outcome would have been had it all gone to 'plan'. A US trial, and most probably I suspect, an early death penalty on whoever the scapegoat was... leading to brain dead amoeba applauding the 'vengeance', files closed, no more questions asked.

They musta been WELL pissed off when all didn't go to plan :lol: and the evidence was on land not 20 miles under the sea, irretrievable....

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Have to say I was deeply ashamed of Iain Gray on Newsnight last night. This pigmy of Scottish politics tried to turn all of this into partly-political politics in a feeble, nay tragic, attempt to smear Kenny McAskill, solely because he's of the SNP. Nothing to do with the issue.

No quarter given for how this decision was reached under due process of Scots Law. Just a pathetic attempt to make capital without seemingly the merest understanding of the Big Picture outside Labour vs SNP. Pathetic and unworthy.

I'da have hoped that a Labour Justice minister would have come to the same independent conclusion. Monday's reconvening of Parly's gonna be interesting....

OH and now, Jack McConnell's on it (who?)....this pipsqueak's now laying into his own country with no regard other than to perhaps elevate himself back into a safe-seat for saying all the 'right things' by his party.

I say 'elevate' because the last any of the Tomassis saw of Mr McConnell, he was escorting school parties round the Holyrood building a year after he was outta there as FM. The wean would have it he asked her group, "Do you know who I am?" They all went naw...even though they did. :lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_...and/8215917.stm

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Have to say I was deeply ashamed of Iain Gray on Newsnight last night. This pigmy of Scottish politics tried to turn all of this into partly-political politics in a feeble, nay tragic, attempt to smear Kenny McAskill, solely because he's of the SNP. Nothing to do with the issue.

No quarter given for how this decision was reached under due process of Scots Law. Just a pathetic attempt to make capital without seemingly the merest understanding of the Big Picture outside Labour vs SNP. Pathetic and unworthy.

I'da have hoped that a Labour Justice minister would have come to the same independent conclusion. Monday's reconvening of Parly's gonna be interesting....

OH and now, Jack McConnell's on it (who?)....this pipsqueak's now laying into his own country with no regard other than to perhaps elevate himself back into a safe-seat for saying all the 'right things' by his party.

I say 'elevate' because the last any of the Tomassis saw of Mr McConnell, he was escorting school parties round the Holyrood building a year after he was outta there as FM. The wean would have it he asked her group, "Do you know who I am?" They all went naw...even though they did. :lol:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/south_...and/8215917.stm

A SCUM party justice minister would have released him too, not becoz of any due process or anythin else so laudible, but becoz London/Westmonster SCUM party would have ordered him to.

Ra SCUM party in Scotland is jist an offshoot of ra London headquartered wan, they take thur orders from there

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Shirley shome mishtake

That bastion of truth and justice , the USA, wouldnae behave in such a manner as tae huv secret prison camps where people ur held withoot due process

Somewhat tricky - The US Military are reporting on 'terror suspects' held in secret camps. The International Committee of the Red Cross and The Pentagon aren't commenting. How long can suspects be detained and what's happening to them whilst they are detained?

Like you say, Nota, truth, justice plus humanity might be worthwhile considerations.

Looks like more work for Obama.

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Copy and paste from FBI website -

The Honorable Kenny MacAskill, MSP

Cabinet Secretary for Justice

Scottish Government

St. Andrew's House

Regent Road

Edinburgh, Scotland, United Kingdom

EH13DG

Dear Mr. Secretary:

Over the years I have been a prosecutor, and recently as the Director of the FBI, I have made it a practice not to comment on the actions of other prosecutors, since only the prosecutor handling the case has all the facts and the law before him in reaching the appropriate decision.

Your decision to release Megrahi causes me to abandon that practice in this case. I do so because I am familiar with the facts, and the law, having been the Assistant Attorney General in charge of the investigation and indictment of Megrahi in 1991. And I do so because I am outraged at your decision, blithely defended on the grounds of "compassion."

Your action in releasing Megrahi is as inexplicable as it is detrimental to the cause of justice. Indeed your action makes a mockery of the rule of law. Your action gives comfort to terrorists around the world who now believe that regardless of the quality of the investigation, the conviction by jury after the defendant is given all due process, and sentence appropriate to the crime, the terrorist will be freed by one man's exercise of "compassion." Your action rewards a terrorist even though he never admitted to his role in this act of mass murder and even though neither he nor the government of Libya ever disclosed the names and roles of others who were responsible.

Your action makes a mockery of the emotions, passions and pathos of all those affected by the Lockerbie tragedy: the medical personnel who first faced the horror of 270 bodies strewn in the fields around Lockerbie, and in the town of Lockerbie itself; the hundreds of volunteers who walked the fields of Lockerbie to retrieve any piece of debris related to the breakup of the plane; the hundreds of FBI agents and Scottish police who undertook an unprecedented global investigation to identify those responsible; the prosecutors who worked for years--in some cases a full career--to see justice done.

But most importantly, your action makes a mockery of the grief of the families who lost their own on December 21, 1988. You could not have spent much time with the families, certainly not as much time as others involved in the investigation and prosecution. You could not have visited the small wooden warehouse where the personal items of those who perished were gathered for identification--the single sneaker belonging to a teenager; the Syracuse sweatshirt never again to be worn by a college student returning home for the holidays; the toys in a suitcase of a businessman looking forward to spending Christmas with his wife and children.

You apparently made this decision without regard to the views of your partners in the investigation and prosecution of those responsible for the Lockerbie tragedy. Although the FBI and Scottish police, and prosecutors in both countries, worked exceptionally closely to hold those responsible accountable, you never once sought our opinion, preferring to keep your own counsel and hiding behind opaque references to "the need for compassion."

You have given the family members of those who died continued grief and frustration. You have given those who sought to assure that the persons responsible would be held accountable the back of your hand. You have given Megrahi a "jubilant welcome" in Tripoli, according to the reporting. Where, I ask, is the justice?

Sincerely yours,

Robert S. Mueller, III

Director

Very emotive which is probably aimed at American audience - not all that accurate either :lol:

I think wae their record on justice they cannae preach to anyone. :lol:

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