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So George Square is to have a £15 million revamp with a design competition, which has already attracted 100 notifications of interest.

The job of sifting through the applications has been given to "T in the Park's Geoff Ellis; David Mackay of MBM Architects, who co-ordinated the development of the 1992 Olympic village; and Professor Andy McMillan, a former head of the Mackintosh School of Architecture in Glasgow."

A Mori poll has shown the the public fall mainly into two camps - those who want to see George Square transformed into a green space with increased grass areas and trees and those who see it as a place for events and meetings.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/t-in-the-park-promoter-will-help-choose-squares-design.19072739?utm_source=headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email%2Balert

If my memory serves me correctly there was outrage when the square lost the lovely trees and green areas, which were in place before the trees were removed and the horrible red asphalt.

Why don't they just put it back the way it was? I don't see how that could cost £15 million. It could probably be done for less than half a million and lets face it - some essential services could be saved.

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So George Square is to have a £15 million revamp with a design competition, which has already attracted 100 notifications of interest.

The job of sifting through the applications has been given to "T in the Park's Geoff Ellis; David Mackay of MBM Architects, who co-ordinated the development of the 1992 Olympic village; and Professor Andy McMillan, a former head of the Mackintosh School of Architecture in Glasgow."

A Mori poll has shown the the public fall mainly into two camps - those who want to see George Square transformed into a green space with increased grass areas and trees and those who see it as a place for events and meetings.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/t-in-the-park-promoter-will-help-choose-squares-design.19072739?utm_source=headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email%2Balert

If my memory serves me correctly there was outrage when the square lost the lovely trees and green areas, which were in place before the trees were removed and the horrible red asphalt.

Why don't they just put it back the way it was? I don't see how that could cost £15 million. It could probably be done for less than half a million and lets face it - some essential services could be saved.

Putting it back the way it was would be an admittance that you got it wrong

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Putting it back the way it was would be an admittance that you got it wrong

:lol:

Must be something wrong it, samsc. They're throwing money they haven't got at it.

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There was a recent item about George Square in the Herald,:

http://www.heraldsco...roes.2012109866

From article:

" ... But what I want to know is why there are no statues to Glasgow's rebels and working class heroes. (Okay, there's one of Burns but he was an Ayrshire man.)

For example, why is there nothing to commemorate that famous day in 1919 when the tanks were called out to quell the huge demonstration, red flag and all, in the Square. Willie Gallacher's bandaged head (courtesy of a police truncheon) would surely make a great subject for a statue. Or what about Thomas Muir, the 18th century radical, transported for his support of democratic reform? His smashed face (courtesy of a Royal Navy cannonball) would make for another interesting pose.

The most glaring omission is the lack of any memorial to John MacLean. I'll forgive you if you say, 'John who?' History was my favourite subject at school and I studied it at university but in 17 years of a Glasgow education, there wasn't a single mention of MacLean in any of my lessons or lectures. ... "

And the readers' comments are also very interesting and worth reading..

Certainly, Mr. Morrison is quite right. How many of us ever heard of John McLean, or Thomas Muir, or many other important people at school?

To be fair, though, I did get to learn about somebody in a different country not being good at making cakes. I suppose that was a very important thing to know..

The article, AND the reader comments, are worth a look, I think

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There was a recent item about George Square in the Herald,:

http://www.heraldsco...roes.2012109866

From article:

" ... But what I want to know is why there are no statues to Glasgow's rebels and working class heroes. (Okay, there's one of Burns but he was an Ayrshire man.)

For example, why is there nothing to commemorate that famous day in 1919 when the tanks were called out to quell the huge demonstration, red flag and all, in the Square. Willie Gallacher's bandaged head (courtesy of a police truncheon) would surely make a great subject for a statue. Or what about Thomas Muir, the 18th century radical, transported for his support of democratic reform? His smashed face (courtesy of a Royal Navy cannonball) would make for another interesting pose.

The most glaring omission is the lack of any memorial to John MacLean. I'll forgive you if you say, 'John who?' History was my favourite subject at school and I studied it at university but in 17 years of a Glasgow education, there wasn't a single mention of MacLean in any of my lessons or lectures. ... "

And the readers' comments are also very interesting and worth reading..

Certainly, Mr. Morrison is quite right. How many of us ever heard of John McLean, or Thomas Muir, or many other important people at school?

To be fair, though, I did get to learn about somebody in a different country not being good at making cakes. I suppose that was a very important thing to know..

The article, AND the reader comments, are worth a look, I think

Yes, the question of which great Glaswegians should have statues is an interesting one, Hamsterbert. Maybe it shouldn't just be about heroic historical figures and certainly shouldn't just be men.

I'd quite like to see Liz Lochhead and maybe they could move Donald Dewar down from the Concert Hall. Jimmy Reid would be deserving of a place but possibly better fitted to Clydebank. I'd be perfectly happy with John MacLean - pretty good feature on him on the website (http://www.glasgowwestend.co.uk/people/johnmaclean.php ) including reference to his memorial in Pollokshaws:

In Memory of John Maclean

Born in Pollokshaws on 24th August 1879

Died 30th November 1923

FAMOUS PIONEER OF WORKING CLASS EDUCATION

HE FORGED THE SCOTTISH LINK IN THE

GOLDEN LINK OF WORLD SOCIALISM.

I reckon if we put it to the vote there would be some bizarre suggestions. God forbid they would have Lulu. :lol:

I quite like the idea of a name change. St Mungo's was suggested in the feature in the Herald but I prefer the other name for Mungo, Kentigern. Kentigern Square has a lovely ring to it. Then we could always fall back on Mungo's mammy, Enoch, or Thenue.

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Hadn't seen Ian Mitchell's article on Maclean and didn't know about the memorial. I think Maclean is too red for the Cooncil and they're completely giving up the square's red look. If we get to vote for new statues I would like at least one of those big steel ones like the big horse and they should definitaly pay homage to Kenny Dalglish and Matt McGinn. But I won't hold my breath. This is just about commerce and having a place to cater for more events. Not that that many Glaswegians go to the art fair or the Hogmanay celebrations. It should be a place for the people and it should celebrate our socialist roots. I'm leaning towards Kentigern Square with trees and grass and daffodils in the springtime. That would be the job but that won't happen and whatever we get will be a waste of money. Spending £15m sickens me when people are losing their jobs and shops closing on every street. The Council should get real.

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Janice Forsyth is now writing a blog in The Herald. Pretty refreshing. She makes a good point about the panel deciding what will happen with George Square - which has not one woman on it. "That's the only conclusion I can draw - it can't be because women lack another vital organ - a brain."

She also notes: "Funny actually, that, over the years, there have been moans about the preponderance of memorials to dead white men in the Square - the only exception to the blokes on blocks being Queen Victoria."

I wouldn't hold out much hope of women being any more venerated in the 21st century than previously but thing she is bang on target when she figures that the reason for Geoff Ellis, the music promoter behind T in the Park's presence indicates that high-profile events are part of the council's vision.

http://www.heraldsco...ign=email+alert

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Alasdair Gray hits out at the plans for George Square and regeneration of Sighthill. The latter would see 400 families lose their homes. According to Alasdair:

"The politicians we elect as puppets. But they want to be action men – exciting instigators of visible change – so they will remove all the historic monuments to great Scots from George Square, make it a space for commercial enterprises like McDonald's and Coca-Cola for two or three years, then bring them back or find it cannot afford to do so. And armed with compulsory purchase orders and powers of eviction enforced by the police, they will get grand publicity for their Sighthill renovation scheme."

He also points out that, in their approach Glasgow City Council go against "the advice of Patrick Geddes, Scotland's greatest town planner and thinker on the subject."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/alasdair-gray-criticises-planners-revamp-of-citys-square.19591254?utm_source=headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email%2Balert

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A great discussion tonight on Scotland Today about the six shortlisted plans for the new look George Square. On the panel were Professor Roger Wilson from Glasgow School of Art, John Glenday, Editor of Urban Realm and Dorothy-Grace Elder, who didn't hold back with her scathing response.

The plans vary but for water features seem to be popular, the statues are disappearing, apart from one design, which places them in a wee corral. One of the designs has tartan replacing the horrible red asphalt - nobody liked this and the verdict was that it was 'naff', 'cheesy' but would be appreciated by 'deified pigeons.'

Dorothy-Grace Elder expressed a lot of concern about £15 being spent on this project when there are so many more pressing needs in the city. She's also pretty outraged that the plans seemed designed to block public protests. Neither is she happy at the obliteration of statues of people 'who saved the world.'

Prof Wilson also appeared concerned regarding the removal of the statues - he thinks that there should be new additional statues.

John Glenday didn't appear very enthusiastic about the six designs. No five seemed the best of a bad bunch, although, nobody was blaming the designers as the Council had forced them to come up with something very quickly. He's also worried about the plan for work to be completed prior to The Commonweath Games.

All sounds rather worrying. You can see something of the designs here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-20948763

But probably better going along to have a swatch at them at The Lighthouse.

The revamp will be expanded out to create a new area in town - to be known as The Buchanan Quarter. I'm not sure if that will take in the Style Mile or not. :)

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It's an embarassment at the moment. But I remember it was a lovely square when I was young; trees, planted areas, statues. It looked like a square in the centre of a city should look. I can only assume it was changed to turn it into something that could make money for the council. And I also assume that that is what it will remain; so bascially there is no hope for it.

Jimbo

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It certainly doesn't look like a place to meet - unless you're maybe after a paddle.

However, the Council seem be confident that they know what they're doing. After all they consulted with 42 residents of our fair city. Then they had seven stakeholder meetings from these stakeholders:

Strathclyde Police

Strathclyde Passenger Transport (SPT)

Glasgow Hoteliers Association

Glasgow Restaurateurs Association

Glasgow Chambers of Commerce

Royal Incorporation of Architects in Scotland

Glasgow Marketing Bureau

I wouldn't exactly call this robust research. You can check out the full consultation process:

http://t.co/QqxqMLyn

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I can add nothing to this thread except to say that the name, if I had any say, would be changed...and nothing wrong with Benny Lynch being recognized...there was a protest during my first visit to the square....1984/poll tax....and if I think of Edinburgh, I would get rid of the Wellington statue.

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The Wellington Statue outside the GOMA in Glasgow has been rescued by Glaswegians. It has to stay...........but only with traffic cone.

I also remember many years back when Partick Thistle gained promotion to the top league in Scotland the duke sported a Partick Thistle scarf for a day or two, smashing irreverence.

I like some of teh fountain ideas that have been proposed as long as these are fountains and areas that the public can access on a hot sunny day.....what use they will be for the other 364 days I am not sure

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Maybe time for the campaigners to put scarves on all the statues. They're pushing for a public meeting and have a petition on the go to "

"Save Our Statues, Save our Square", claiming that "the category A-listing of each individual statue is an acknowledgement of their international importance.

The consultation exercise certainly looks like a bit of a joke. This campaign is an embarrassment for Councillors, who really need to reconsider their high-handed approach.

Green Councillor, Martha Wardrop, has a requested a six wee consultation, which so far has fallen on deaf ears.

Maybe they'll buck up now?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/news/home-news/glasgow-councillors-urged-to-keep-george-square-statues.19962891

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MSP Sandra White wants an excite sieve consultation with the public and has handed in a petition with 900 signatures to the council. They can't decide on a winner from the six designs that were short listed. The water features are not popular. I think people would basically like to get more trees and grass and keep the statues.

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I heard there were a few scenes at The Lighthouse with lots of very disgruntled Glaswegians viewing the designs. Apparently two of them got no votes. So much for the short listing process. Were there actually no designers smart enough to know what would look good and work for the people?

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George Square is to undergo a substantial facelift rather than a radical redesign, Councillor Gordon Matheson, Leader of the Council, announced today. Details of the facelift are to be announced later, however, it will include retaining the statues and grassed areas, and replacing the red tarmac.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-21058651

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Haha, my favourite tweet on the subject:

"Glasgow sensibly drops George Sq plans. Council leader says "I'm proud that I've listened to the people". It's your ###### job, you duvet."

Never heard anyone being called a duvet as an insult before, love it! :lol:

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Sensible decision by all duvets concerned. There was a fair bit of pressure put on by the people, MPs and organisations concerned with the city and its architecture. Also very good coverage on the television plus humourous tweets. I'm glad it all worked. :)

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The whole debacle has come at a cost - possibly around £100,000. Including 'the winner' of the plan that will not go ahead getting £10,000.

Ex-Lord Provost Michael Kelly had quite a lot to say on Scotland Today and his view appears to be that the public shouldn't really have a role regarding town planning issues. Only thing is somebody has to keep an eye on things or we'd have flooding of the water features.

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