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Possibly and if SNP moved further to the left then they might be home and dry.

I doubt that Pat, the SNP is a broad church party made up of left, right and centre.

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I doubt that Pat, the SNP is a broad church party made up of left, right and centre.

Maybe I'm just going by what my socialist friends say, samsc. Glasgow is also a city with strong socialist sentiments and it was a target for them on Thursday.

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Labour and Tories in coalition.......who would have thunk it, indeed, who would have voted for it.

Forget tartan tories, think red rose wearing ones instead :)

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Labour and Tories in coalition.......who would have thunk it, indeed, who would have voted for it.

Forget tartan tories, think red rose wearing ones instead :)

there has been very little difference between the 2 for years anyway....

and now theyre in bed with the right wing...anything to grab power with no morals at all

shame on them and their fan boy supporters

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Shocking. I remember the day in Edinburgh when Labour took the council by offering the post of Provost to a Nat Councillor. He took a principled stand by insisting the robes of office and the chain be redeemed from the pawn.

I think the Nats were bought off last week with the depute provost post. No robes and just a badge.

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still not as bad as lying with satan tho is it

all those you supported them and told others to do so should hang their heads in shame

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What's going on with these Labour/Tory Coalitions? Hope the left hand knows what the right hand's doing.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/labours-coalition-tactics-squeeze-out-snp.17547270

In Edinburgh they do.

Deal is done: City council is SNP and Labour coalition

LABOUR and the SNP today hailed the dawn of a new era following the shock announcement that the parties would form a coalition to run Edinburgh for the next five years.

Declarations were signed to form an administration binding the parties to work together to run the city council.

Labour group leader Andrew Burns will become council leader with the SNP’s Steve Cardownie as his deputy. Labour will also choose the Lord Provost.

The deal came an hour after a bid to build an all-party coalition collapsed last night, after which Labour also rejected plans to enter a coalition with the Conservatives.

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I had heard rumours all week that Labour in Glasgow had sold its soul to the devil and agreed a deal with the Orange Order regarding backing off bring their marches under tighter control for their support during the council elections. I refused to believe it but was told to watch for an immediate back track on policy...............

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/opinion/council-chief-citys-parade-plan-is-flawed.17535913

Council chief: City's parade plan is flawed

THE leader of Scotland's largest local authority has told the Orange Order his city's policy on parades was "wrong" and that it will be overhauled now Labour is back in power, The Herald can reveal.

Gordon Matheson, leader of Glasgow City Council, was greeted with applause when he told a hustings of around 100 members of the Orange Order that he would "hold his hands up" and admit a groundbreaking approach to reducing marches in the city was flawed.

But last night the head of the organisation representing Scotland's rank-and-file police officers said it would be "perverse" to encourage further parades, while the Orange Order said it now expects Mr Matheson to deliver on his promise.

The pledge comes after Strathclyde chief constable Stephen House championed Glasgow's parades policy as the one best reflecting the police approach to marches, while encouraging other west of Scotland councils to follow the city's lead.

Mr Matheson, whose Labour administration was returned last Friday with an unexpectedly large majority, said the council should have done more to consult the Orange Order and he promised a senior councillor would oversee a review.

He also told the meeting – held before last week's election – that a vote for Labour would help safeguard the union and prevent the SNP using Glasgow as a stepping stone to independence.

The council has repeatedly hailed its approach to parades as a success, with almost all disputes with march organisers resolved before the event.

Introduced 18 months ago, the policy was aimed at reducing marches through the city centre and restricting start and finish times amid concerns over the impact on public resources, businesses and communities.

Climate protesters and trade unions have had demonstrations curtailed or re-routed, along with loyalist and Irish republican parades.

According to council figures, the number of parades by Protestant loyal orders in Glasgow outstrips the total number of marches in Londonderry and Belfast combined.

Calum Steele, general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation, said: "Resources are finite and that's why reform of the police and fire service is under way.

"It would seem perverse if some kind of action is taken to encourage an increase in parade activities. This deprives communities of police officers."

Robert McLean, executive officer of the Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland, said: "Mr Matheson admitted the policy was wrong and we're now hoping he will review the parades policy.

"We do not tell our members who to vote for but as a unionist organisation they should be supporting a unionist candidate."

SNP MSP Humza Yousaf said: "Gordon Matheson should urgently clarify whether he intends to allow more marches, with the implications that would have for policing resources."

David Meikle, Glasgow's sole Tory councillor, said: "Gordon Matheson pushed through the new parades code of conduct but it is now alleged he said he got it wrong.

"We need to find out from Mr Matheson what he got wrong and if he thinks the code of conduct should be changed. Clarity is needed so we know what the position is."

A council spokesman said: "Mr Matheson committed to no more than is stated in the policy – that there will be an annual review, which is under way."

A Strathclyde Police spokesman said the force's main concern was use of officers to police parades, adding the recent move by the Orange Order to provide stewards for their own marches was a positive step.

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Matheson has got it wrong now. These parades and all similar parades should be banned. We're not even having the West End Festival Parade and that seems to have something to do with the fact that the City Council can't see what is right and what's wrong.

If citizens are paying for the police then it should be considered whether or not the majority are happy to cough up for the marches?

Parades, yes! Marches, no! That's my vote and I reckon mot of the electorate would feel the same.

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No to the UCS march then, No protests, no Arab spring. All Hail Dictator Pat and her lackey Sam.

The trades union movement were always concerned about what happened to the Orange Walks as whatever legislation was brought in to tackle that would also damage protests.

The Orange order was formed out of the yards and engineering works in Glasgow and most of its members voted Labour as it reflected their industrial concerns. There were a course a few Conservative and Unionist chancers who felt those votes belonged to their cause.

Even before the Billy Wolfe days the Nats shared many anti catholic tendencies of the Scottish Establishment but did not pull many Orange votes as the whole point of the Orange Order was to protect the Union.

However when the Orange Order started to lose its industrial base and Labour became associated with the civil rights movement in Ireland the Orange vote drifted not to the Tories but to the Nats. Just about the same time a young Eck and other smarter Nats started to woo that Catholic vote.

Now that the troubles have gone the Orange Order but not necessarily its adherents are looking again at the latest threat to the union. Of course its leaders have no more power to influence votes than the local priest has to direct his flock.

The many labour councillors who are fans of Pat's west end web site are possibly wondering whether they were a wee bit too arrogant and have read some of the comments and thought "well maybe we were".

So a review of certain policies particularly the ones thought up by Jim Coleman.

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raw nerve dex?

theres a difference between protest marches,,,,any social uprising (Arab spring) and parading bigotry and hatred.

who cares who them n there warped ways vote for really.....they should still ban their marches and make the world that wee bit better FOR ALL

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Good for you Dexy, nothing beats watching a flailing about apologist. Next you'll be telling us Orange Walks are good for tourism. :lol:

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How would you legally distinguish between a walk, a march and a parade? Particularly when you've previously given them permission.

What the previous policy did was make the Orange Order have a look at the number of walks. And proper stewarding

The Orange Order is to deploy its own stewards at this year's march through Glasgow so police can tackle disorder from those who follow the parade.

The Order has also agreed to an earlier finish to its traditional Glasgow Green rally at the end of the event.

This will mean the entire march is covered by one police shift.

BBC

Sam, You're the one that's flailing because you have as usual no response other than an emoticon.

Care to answer this Tig?

“Glasgow City Council has made it perfectly clear that this new policy is aimed directly at the Orange Order. This is religious discrimination. Furthermore, their attempts to prevent free assembly are completely illegal under European Human Rights legislation. We have the right to celebrate our own Christian beliefs just as any other organisation has the right to celebrate theirs. Just because a handful of politicians decide that they don’t agree with our beliefs and values doesn’t give them the right to banish us from our own City Centre.

For decades, Orangemen have made positive contributions to our great City whilst faith has been a strong part of Scottish culture for centuries. Records show that Orange Parades in the City of Glasgow were first held in 1821. The lodges have paraded through the City each year since that first parade 189 years ago. Yet today, the City Council wants that long tradition and history to be shattered. Our 10,000 members who live within the City of Glasgow are now to be banned from parading in their own city centre. This is something we do not accept simply because not everyone shares our views and opinions.

Glasgow City Council seems to have forgotten that it is their duty to find ways to make free assembly possible, rather than find ways to prevent it. The European Court of Human Rights has made clear that there is a positive duty on an authority (i) to take reasonable and appropriate measures to enable lawful assemblies and marches to proceed peacefully and (ii) to take adequate measures to prevent violent acts directed against the participants in an assembly or march, or at least limit their extent. [This duty arises out of Article 11 which confers the right of peaceful assembly and association. See United Macedonian Organisation Ilinden and Ivanov v. Bulgaria (2007) 44 E.H.R.R. 4.]

November 2010

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How would you legally distinguish between a walk, a march and a parade? Particularly when you've previously given them permission.

Good point, Dex. I'm for most protest marches and have likely marched on as many, or more, than you.

I don't like the sectarian promoting marches, that's what was under discussion. I'd do away with them. I think it's really up to the Council to work out what should be allowed and what not. Taking into account what the majority of people in the city think. Some common sense might also help and a commitment to moving out of the dark ages. Peaceful assembly. Righto! :rolleyes:

Thanks for the laugh about samsc being my lackey. :lol:

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How would you legally distinguish between a walk, a march and a parade?

it makes no difference whether they are walking , marching or parading....its the nature of intent that is being classified....if you intend to parade/walk/march/run/skip/jump hateful sectarian bigotry then you should be banned from doing so.

Care to answer this Tig?

“Glasgow City Council has made it perfectly clear that this new policy is aimed directly at the Orange Order. (1)This is religious discrimination. Furthermore, their attempts to prevent free assembly are completely illegal under European Human Rights legislation. (2)We have the right to celebrate our own Christian beliefs just as any other organisation has the right to celebrate theirs. Just because a handful of politicians decide that they don’t agree with our beliefs and values doesn’t give them the right to banish us from our own City Centre.

For decades, Orangemen have made positive contributions to our great City whilst faith has been a strong part of Scottish culture for centuries. Records show that Orange Parades in the City of Glasgow were first held in 1821. The lodges have paraded through the City each year since that first parade 189 years ago. Yet today, the City Council wants that long tradition and history to be shattered. Our 10,000 members who live within the City of Glasgow are now to be banned from parading in their own city centre. This is something we do not accept simply because not everyone shares our views and opinions.

Glasgow City Council seems to have forgotten that it is their duty to find ways to make free assembly possible, rather than find ways to prevent it. (3)The European Court of Human Rights has made clear that there is a positive duty on an authority (i) to take reasonable and appropriate measures to enable lawful assemblies and marches to proceed peacefully and (ii) to take adequate measures to prevent violent acts directed against the participants in an assembly or march, or at least limit their extent. (4)[This duty arises out of Article 11 which confers the right of peaceful assembly and association. See United Macedonian Organisation Ilinden and Ivanov v. Bulgaria (2007) 44 E.H.R.R. 4.]

November 2010

ok ill answer your 18 month old propaganda statement

1. theyre not a religion so thats wrong

2. it has nothing to do with Christianity so that wrong

3. if they make it unlawful due to its bigoted/hateful nature then they have no duty of care....by making such marches unlawful they would be complying with EU leg by preventing violence and breach of any peace.

4.the EU article concerns peaceful assembly......which the council could quite easily deem an orange walk is not due to its hateful nature

I take it you or none of the Orangemen whom you quoted this off have read up on what the EU directive on peaceful assembly actually says, simply because there would be no need to cite the above statement......alas we live in the UK and our laws are different (even tho we are supposed to follow EU law...we dont)(thank thatcher/blair for that)...so if you/them bothered to read it you would know that according to the directive you dont need permission at all...nor do you have to give notice of your intentions at any time.......

now try doing that and youl get to quote all the EU laws you like while your in the pokey

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Humza Yousaf, SNP MSP for Glasgow, has called on the city council to spell out its engagement with the Orange Order.

Last night he said: "Money from the public purse has been given to various Jubilee parties, which are largely being organised by Orange lodges across the city, on the proviso they will be open and inclusive to other communities. I would be keen to hear what attempts have been made to reach out to Glasgow's diverse communities and other faith groups in particular."

Good question, Humza. If anyone wants to organise a Jubilee Party then that's fair enough but how many of us want to fund the 'fun'?

Big mistake by Glasgow City Council.

Why didn't they go ahead and organise a big fun day for kids with the money or toss some money towards the West End Festival or similar community events?

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All the decisions to give grants to community organisations to hold Jubilee parties were made at Area Committee level. All the councillors within a ward vote on the grants. There's 21 wards and eight of them made awards. You will note that all comments come from SNP MSPs. The question to ask is how many SNP councillors said no to the award in their area.

I do realise the SNP is relying on the gullibility of the electorate to win the referendum but one should always keep in mind Louis Heren's adage "When a politician tells you something in confidence, always ask yourself Why is this lying ###### lying to me?" I look forward to

And according to this report the Govan jubilee party organised by a local community group went well.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/glasgow-celebrates-with-sandwiches-orange-walks-and-a-police-clampdown-on-parties-in-the-park.17769612. I do believe the kids had a big fun day.

West enders who receive public money to fund the West End Festival and The Mela should be cautious about criticising other community celeebrations. It's hundreds of pounds compared to thousands. I look forward to Humza Yousaf's comments on these grants.

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All the decisions to give grants to community organisations to hold Jubilee parties were made at Area Committee level. All the councillors within a ward vote on the grants. There's 21 wards and eight of them made awards. You will note that all comments come from SNP MSPs. The question to ask is how many SNP councillors said no to the award in their area.

I wonder how many at all said no.

I do realise the SNP is relying on the gullibility of the electorate to win the referendum but one should always keep in mind Louis Heren's adage "When a politician tells you something in confidence, always ask yourself Why is this lying ###### lying to me?" I look forward to

And according to this report the Govan jubilee party organised by a local community group went well.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/glasgow-celebrates-with-sandwiches-orange-walks-and-a-police-clampdown-on-parties-in-the-park.17769612. I do believe the kids had a big fun day.

Great. I mentioned that one elsewhere and promoted it for the group. Super bunch of individuals involved.

... I see we're to have marches in Partick, Maryhill and Coocaddens.

Shame we couldn't have the WEF parade.

Only eight street parties in the city but I hear there are some alternative celebrations planned.

Magpie Street Party in Govan is one that I know of. Then Arches have organised a big mystery spot celebration with buses heading out of town.

The people in Govan went to some length to clarify what their party was about - more of an alternative celebration:

"The other street parties may be focusing on the Queen's Diamond Jubilee but we are of course taking our own unique approach. We're taking the diamond theme and we're calling it 'Govan Sparkles' - the event will focus on what's great about Govan and it will be a celebration of all the wonderful things which have happened here over the past 60 years. It will be a family event with face painting, live music and of course cake! We're using the street party as an opportunity to bring the community together, we want to see lots of chatting and laughter as people come together to celebrate all that's great about Govan." http://www.glasgowwestend.co.uk/whatson/jauntexhibitions.html

West enders who receive public money to fund the West End Festival and The Mela should be cautious about criticising other community celeebrations. It's hundreds of pounds compared to thousands. I look forward to Humza Yousaf's comments on these grants.

Aye so they should - if they were criticising community celebrations per se.

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All the decisions to give grants to community organisations to hold Jubilee parties were made at Area Committee level. All the councillors within a ward vote on the grants. There's 21 wards and eight of them made awards. You will note that all comments come from SNP MSPs. The question to ask is how many SNP councillors said no to the award in their area.

I do realise the SNP is relying on the gullibility of the electorate to win the referendum but one should always keep in mind Louis Heren's adage "When a politician tells you something in confidence, always ask yourself Why is this lying ###### lying to me?" I look forward to

And according to this report the Govan jubilee party organised by a local community group went well.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/glasgow-celebrates-with-sandwiches-orange-walks-and-a-police-clampdown-on-parties-in-the-park.17769612. I do believe the kids had a big fun day.

West enders who receive public money to fund the West End Festival and The Mela should be cautious about criticising other community celeebrations. It's hundreds of pounds compared to thousands. I look forward to Humza Yousaf's comments on these grants.

Ahhh I see, support for the Orange Order and its marching band of bigots is the same as support for the Mela and the West End Festival.........there you have it folks, Glasgow Nu Labour logic writ large.

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I was of course referring to Starter Packs Govan who organised a community party. As usual you fell for the bait without reading the Herald article. I was at The Govan Fair on Friday night. It receives minimal public support certainly in comparison with the recently established West End festival and The Mela which of course will be hooching with politicians of all shades of puce.

You presumed along with other correspondents that all the parties in Glasgow were organised by the Orange Order. So where were the SNP councillors when these grants were approved? Down at the lacal Knights club?

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I was of course referring to Starter Packs Govan who organised a community party. As usual you fell for the bait without reading the Herald article. I was at The Govan Fair on Friday night. It receives minimal public support certainly in comparison with the recently established West End festival and The Mela which of course will be hooching with politicians of all shades of puce.

You presumed along with other correspondents that all the parties in Glasgow were organised by the Orange Order. So where were the SNP councillors when these grants were approved? Down at the lacal Knights club?

You do assume a lot in your desperate attempts to twist things to suit your poor points. As usual, you are well wide of the mark.

You also conveniently side step answering any questions or points.

You are not a puce coloured politician are you?

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I was of course referring to Starter Packs Govan who organised a community party. As usual you fell for the bait without reading the Herald article. I was at The Govan Fair on Friday night. It receives minimal public support certainly in comparison with the recently established West End festival and The Mela which of course will be hooching with politicians of all shades of puce.

You presumed along with other correspondents that all the parties in Glasgow were organised by the Orange Order. So where were the SNP councillors when these grants were approved? Down at the lacal Knights club?

Aye, Dex. That's twice I've mentioned the Govan Lunch Party now. Are you just reading samsc's posts? - that's rude.:)

And you shouldn't really be classifying their event as a Jubilee Party when they don't

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Humza Yousaf, SNP MSP for Glasgow, has called on the city council to spell out its engagement with the Orange Order.

Last night he said: "Money from the public purse has been given to various Jubilee parties, which are largely being organised by Orange lodges across the city, on the proviso they will be open and inclusive to other communities. I would be keen to hear what attempts have been made to reach out to Glasgow's diverse communities and other faith groups in particular."

Good question, Humza. If anyone wants to organise a Jubilee Party then that's fair enough but how many of us want to fund the 'fun'?

Big mistake by Glasgow City Council.

Why didn't they go ahead and organise a big fun day for kids with the money or toss some money towards the West End Festival or similar community events?

No mention of Starter Packs Govan here. Humza Yousaf's rant swallowed whole. No investigation of the SNP's role in approving these grants at local committee level either.

I await the SNP's motion to ban the Orange Order and the other one which will turn all schools in to non denominational entities. I anticipate a long wait.

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