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The Scottish Bill is up for consultation. Patrick Harvie talks about it in the Daily Record:

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If Scotland votes Yes in September, it will leave behind many of the peculiarities of Westminster politics.

From the un-elected House of Lords, to the little pink ribbons that MPs are given with from which to hang their swords (yes, really!), it’s probably understatement to say that British politics has often lagged behind the times.

The absence of a modern written constitution shows how out of date it is. With that in mind, I welcome the consultation on a draft interim constitution for an independent Scotland.'

Of course, the pointless House of Lords will also be ditched.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/patrick-harvie-draft-constitution-symbol-3705763#.U58v78izJZg.facebook

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Do not know what Gordon Brown is up to now advocating that we have a UK wide education system. Is that not moving away from devolution? I am also confused by Davidson, Lamont etc coming together to promise more powers. Have they moved to Westminster?

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No, they are just doing their masters bidding

It is daft right enough, rory. They're not in a position to provide guarantees. The sudden surge of promises for greater devolution seems to stem from them getting the wind up. Hardly scientific but The Daily Record poll showing that most people would vote YES if they thought Cameron was going to get back in is interesting. Although, I wonder what the difference would be if Labour won the General Election – or Ukip?

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I would never have thought that the Tories would get back in but now I am not so sure..... UKip don't have a chance in hell and I can't see anyone rushing to form a coalition with them.... but stranger things have happened. I do think a Labour victory could have a significant impact in favour of No but this is based on old Labour values, I think. Miliband isn't doing anything to really restore confidence in the Labour party and if the press are to be believed, there will be no reversal of Tory spending cuts... Seems to be a choice of Tory or Tory lite but better than BNP lite, as in the shape of Farage....

Meanwhile, China has pronounced on Scottish independence.... talk about the world and it's wife. :rolleyes:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/06/17/scottish-independence-china_n_5503487.html

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We respect the choice you make.....david asked us to say something about sticking together, like he did with Obama, and the spanish EU commissioner, etc etc

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I do think it is a better idea having people in training rather than unable to train because they are job seekers. That is the worse idea possible. So many unemployed people being prevented from volunteering and training at the moment. But I hate this sanctioning approach. People should be able to make choices.

Remember the Yoppers in Thatchers Day – all the rubbish training schemes where no-one learned anything.?

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The Maryhill food bank is charged £6,000 a year rent. They only remain open because Celtic Football Club have agreed to pay their rent

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We've got a Food Banks thread if posts on this topic could go there that would be great.

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Information from Government survey on opinions of Scots not being released:

'Scottish Government source responded by saying: "David Cameron's Government have spent almost £50,000 of taxpayers' cash on opinion polling about independence, which they are determined to keep secret, even under Freedom of Information laws. That is totally unacceptable and totally unsustainable.

"No matter how uncomfortable the results may be for Westminster and the No campaign, they must publish the findings," he added.'

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-news/government-refuses-to-publish-47000-independence-survey.24549489?utm_source=headlines&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email%2Balert

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An excerpt from Iain McWhirters excellent piece in The Herald

.....Every Labour politician on Question Time begins their remarks with the apology that they "got it wrong on immigration, benefits, the EU ... " They didn't. They got it right. Immigration is essential to address the problem of Britain's ageing population. Unemployment benefits in Britain are among the lowest in Europe. Leaving the EU would be economic and geo-political madness for the UK. Britain already has the kind of inequality and low pay of countries that used to be called the Third World.

Scotland is hitched to a ramshackle runaway train with Ukip stoking the boiler, George Osborne throwing the under-privileged off the carriage and Ed Miliband sitting in the guard's van wearing the wrong trousers. It won't end well. Scotland is regarded as an irritating irrelevance by Westminster, even by Labour politicians who resent this country for the fact that it still subscribes to the social democratic values they have abandoned. They want Scotland to hurry up and vote No so that they can enlist us into the "new right" consensus. "See - all that stuff about free education, open borders, unilateral nuclear disarmament, Nordic redistribution, green energy ... Scots have voted No haven't they? It's over." That's what they will say on September 19.

Scotland's referendum is a defining moment for UK social democracy, a make or break moment for a civilised society. It has fallen to Scots to make a decision that will resonate across the entire UK. Far from abandoning England to the mercies of neo-liberal Tories, a Yes vote will show that social democracy is still alive and well and living in North Britain. It will show that prejudice and xenophobia need not be the driving forces of politics; that the power of capital can be challenged and that countries can depart from the nuclear club....

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McWhirter is on the ball. It is also fantastic to so see many people on the streets of London protestesting with the People's Assembly. Not that it was reported by the BBC. Don't know how they missed it as the march with 50,000 set off from the New Broadcasting House. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/jun/21/protest-march-austerity-london-russell-brand-peoples-assembly

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Professor Patrick Dunleavy and his buddies at LSE make their opinion on the cost of setting up an Independent Government and transitional costs clear: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/files/2014/06/Transitioning-to-a-new-Scottish-state-PD-ebook.pdf

They reckon £200 mill should do it but point out:

"A key influence on Scotland’s costs would be the conduct of negotiations between Scottish ministers and the remaining UK (rUK) government. A hostile approach by London ministers would force rapid changes and greatly add to Scotland’s costs. A more careful, phased approach would make these costs a lot less.

Every transition to a new state has some uncertainty and a degree of risk. But there are no bases for
extreme anxiety about an independence transition in Scotland. The Scottish government’s record in
public management is a good one, its published plans for transition are relatively specific and reasonable,and the long-run viability of a Scottish state looks strong. The main current uncertainties arise from the London government’s apparent reluctance to do any planning for, or to make clear to Scottish voters, how a transition to independence would be handled at their end.

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How do you know when Better Together are lying ......their lips move

Yesterday the Johann Lamont was out telling us that post Independence the MoD wont be dishing out orders to Non-UK companies...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27979281

Ms Lamont argued it was "inconceivable contracts for defence work will be let outside the United Kingdom" to an independent Scotland.

"I know from speaking to the workforce that they believe the only threat to Scotland securing these defence contracts and many years' work for our shipyards is a 'Yes' vote, and the expectation is that this work will be moved to England if we vote to leave the UK."


While Jim Murphy told us all this...

http://www.labour.org.uk/lose-to-france-fast-jets-lose-out-south-korea-royal-navy-tankers

“This is more bad news for British industry. First we lose out to France over fast jets and now we lose out to South Korea over Royal Navy tankers.

“The Government do not have an active defence industrial strategy. I’d like to see more of our defence industry with a ‘made in Britain’ stamp on it. The country will want the Government to do more to support British industry


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