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Sam, I don't think I mentioned the press being even handed or otherwise. I was saying, AND WELL YOU KNOW IT, how disappointing it is to see Scotland's FM allying him so closely to the SUN, a view that Pat has expanded on and which you are chosing to ignore by throwing up a sh*t storm about something else. I have a high opinion of Alex Salmond and think at the heart of his poliitics he is a force for good. However, that doesn't mean he walks on water or that he is above criticism, based on his own individual choices and actions. :)

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Sam, I don't think I mentioned the press being even handed or otherwise. I was saying, AND WELL YOU KNOW IT, how disappointing it is to see Scotland's FM allying him so closely to the SUN, a view that Pat has expanded on and which you are chosing to ignore by throwing up a sh*t storm about something else. I have a high opinion of Alex Salmond and think at the heart of his poliitics he is a force for good. However, that doesn't mean he walks on water or that he is above criticism, based on his own individual choices and actions. :)

And I am saying you and Pat are failing to see the bigger picture. In the media dirty war on the way to independence the SNP will need every friend they can get, no matter how disgreeable they are. Its therefore madness for Salomond to turn his back on the one red top that has nailed its colours to independence.

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And I am saying you and Pat are failing to see the bigger picture. In the media dirty war on the way to independence the SNP will need every friend they can get, no matter how disgreeable they are. Its therefore madness for Salomond to turn his back on the one red top that has nailed its colours to independence.

I see where you are coming from, samsc, but you can be tainted by your associations. I've never been one of these people who take the view 'he(she) has been alright with me'.

And he's certainly giving all those other red tops, black tops and every other top a great opportunity to malign him.

I think he should have been more wary of nailing his colours to the Murdoch mast.

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And I am saying you and Pat are failing to see the bigger picture. In the media dirty war on the way to independence the SNP will need every friend they can get, no matter how disgreeable they are. Its therefore madness for Salomond to turn his back on the one red top that has nailed its colours to independence.

Sam, how can you, in all seriouness, slag off the Unionists for their past press associaitons while condoning this? I really hope Alex Salmond will not stoop to any means possible to win independence. Independence has to be the best option for Scotland based on sound facts and information. I would have thought too close an association with Murdoch right now could be politically damanging?

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Sam, how can you, in all seriouness, slag off the Unionists for their past press associaitons while condoning this? I really hope Alex Salmond will not stoop to any means possible to win independence. Independence has to be the best option for Scotland based on sound facts and information. I would have thought too close an association with Murdoch right now could be politically damanging?

Sound facts and information; do you seriously think that is how the debate will be? This will be a dirty war, with lies, lies and spin used to put the fear of God into every Scot with a vote.

I think double standards is worth challenging particularly when there seems to be selective fits of the vapours. Beware perfidious Albion.

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Sound facts and information; do you seriously think that is how the debate will be? This will be a dirty war, with lies, lies and spin used to put the fear of God into every Scot with a vote.

I think double standards is worth challenging particularly when there seems to be selective fits of the vapours. Beware perfidious Albion.

And here comes Kennedy set on saving the Union.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/kennedy-seizes-leading-role-in-battle-for-union.1330743852

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Does Charles Kennedy have any credibility North of the Border? He seems all but forgotten in the South...

Sam, I strongly disagree that Alex Salmond should adopt the same dirty tactics as other politicians. This is the very thing that sets him apart, IMV and has earned him the great respect that is due to him. He would be a fool to get into the mire and his standing will be diminished if he does - maybe not by SUN readers but by many others who have held him in good standing. The fight for independence has not been won yet and quite frankly, if it is dependent on the SUN, as you seem to suggest by the importance you place on support from this paper, then gawd help us...:(

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This is more like it:

'THE Scottish Government has accused Westminster of failing to use its position as a major stakeholder in bailed-out banks to protect the public as two high-street lenders announced moves to hike interest rates on mortgages.'

Looks like mortgages are to be hiked despite the massive bailout they received. What the heck is going on?

"A Scottish Government spokesman said: "This is another example of the Westminster government failing to use its position as owner or major shareholder of banks to support the public interest, and Scottish ministers believe that it is time they did so...

SNP Treasury spokesman Stewart Hosie MP said: "With the base rate still incredibly low and the Bank of England engaged in hundreds of billions of pounds worth of quantitative easing, it seems absolutely ludicrous that families who are struggling with wage freezes should see their mortgages go up in these circumstances.'

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/cash-strapped-scots-face-fresh-pain-as-mortgage-costs-jump.16922782

We need to see a bit more focus on such issues rather than all energy going into the referendum.

More and more Scottish people are losing their jobs and their homes while the bankers still pick up their big pays and bonuses. Now a hike in interest despite base rate being at a record low.

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I am sure if the SNP stay focused on a wide range of domestic issues it can only strengthen their positon on constitutional matters. I am surprised there has not been cross party outrage on this... people are stuggling throughout the UK, even in, what is often perceived to be, the affluent South of England.

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This is more like it:

'THE Scottish Government has accused Westminster of failing to use its position as a major stakeholder in bailed-out banks to protect the public as two high-street lenders announced moves to hike interest rates on mortgages.'

Looks like mortgages are to be hiked despite the massive bailout they received. What the heck is going on?

"A Scottish Government spokesman said: "This is another example of the Westminster government failing to use its position as owner or major shareholder of banks to support the public interest, and Scottish ministers believe that it is time they did so...

SNP Treasury spokesman Stewart Hosie MP said: "With the base rate still incredibly low and the Bank of England engaged in hundreds of billions of pounds worth of quantitative easing, it seems absolutely ludicrous that families who are struggling with wage freezes should see their mortgages go up in these circumstances.'

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/cash-strapped-scots-face-fresh-pain-as-mortgage-costs-jump.16922782

We need to see a bit more focus on such issues rather than all energy going into the referendum.

More and more Scottish people are losing their jobs and their homes while the bankers still pick up their big pays and bonuses. Now a hike in interest despite base rate being at a record low.

Insisting banks rebuild their capital base can only result in two things, either massive cost sutting (some of which has happened) or milking customers (which we are now seeing). The banks have no other real reason for this, the LIBOR rate is very low so its not as if its costing them above headline rates to borrow money from each other.

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Insisting banks rebuild their capital base can only result in two things, either massive cost sutting (some of which has happened) or milking customers (which we are now seeing). The banks have no other real reason for this, the LIBOR rate is very low so its not as if its costing them above headline rates to borrow money from each other.

I can't say that I understand all that Sam but I do think it is disgusting that mortgage rates have to rise.

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I can't say that I understand all that Sam but I do think it is disgusting that mortgage rates have to rise.

I don't know what's going on with the banks but sure as shooting the taxpayer, who owns 82% of RBS, probably wouldn't be too keen on the transfer of jobs to India.

"RBS, which is 82% owned by the taxpayer, defended the move, saying: "The movement of roles between coun-tries reflects the global nature of our business."

However, unions charged the bank with hypocrisy, accusing it of sacking lower-salaried staff at a time when it was awarding investment bankers massive bonuses."

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/anger-as-rbs-transfers-scottish-jobs-to-india.1331003045

(I'm also putting this up in new thread

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I see Nicola Sturgeon is on a roll in today's Herald. It is worrying to think that changes in the Health Policy at Westminster could affect the NHS in Scotland. She makes this point plus blasts them about a few other matters and the Labour Party where also in her sights.

"... if we want to make sure that Tory health policies can't damage our health service in any way, we need independence."

In a hard-hitting speech, Ms Sturgeon also attacked Westminster policies which she said would hit the vulnerable badly.

She said: "Only independence can stop Westminster governments squandering our energy wealth while our older folk struggle to pay their heating bills.

"Only independence can put a stop to heartless Tory welfare reforms that will punish the vulnerable and the disabled.

"And only independence will give us the tools we need to rid Scotland of the poverty and deprivation that still scars our nation and create the jobs and opportunities that will get people off benefits, not for Tory reasons, but for the right reasons."

The Health Secretary also used her speech to attack the Labour Party as the only party resisting attempts to introduce minimum pricing for alcohol.

Holyrood will debate Stage One of the legislation on Wednesday, but Ms Sturgeon said Labour MSPs preferred "abject isolation to common sense".

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/political-news/sturgeon-uk-reforms-are-threat-to-scots-nhs.1331521462

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Pie in the Sky.

Are we still waiting on smaller class sizes, a previous promise? Did we get an extra 1000 police officers on the beat or did they make it up with special constables.

You'd have to be as gullible as a Rangers supporter to fall for this.

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I find this quite astonishing and I think NS is in danger of turning this campaign into a joke... :angry: The first two post article comments say it all.

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Pie in the Sky.

Are we still waiting on smaller class sizes, a previous promise? Did we get an extra 1000 police officers on the beat or did they make it up with special constables.

You'd have to be as gullible as a Rangers supporter to fall for this.

97 of 100 manifesto pledges met, tell me the last time Labour at any level did that?

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I find this quite astonishing and I think NS is in danger of turning this campaign into a joke... :angry: The first two post article comments say it all.

and the third comment explains it for the hard of thinking commentators in points 1 and 2

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The campaign for indpependence will not be helped by speeches like this, IMO. The NHS reforms in England have no direct effect in Scotland and are not yet formalised. They face massive opposition and may not be implemented in full. NS running around saying the sky is going to fall in is as bad as Salmond cosying up to Murdoch's rag; bad campaign tactics and bad timing. Salmond's appearance in the Sunday SUN lacked integrity and Sturgeon's stab as disaster scenario tactics lacked credibility, IMV. I don't know who their campaign manager is but s/he wants sacking. Neither of them are measuring up to the task in hand, IMO.

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The campaign for indpependence will not be helped by speeches like this, IMO. The NHS reforms in England have no direct effect in Scotland and are not yet formalised. They face massive opposition and may not be implemented in full. NS running around saying the sky is going to fall in is as bad as Salmond cosying up to Murdoch's rag; bad campaign tactics and bad timing. Salmond's appearance in the Sunday SUN lacked integrity and Sturgeon's stab as disaster scenario tactics lacked credibility, IMV. I don't know who their campaign manager is but s/he wants sacking. Neither of them are measuring up to the task in hand, IMO.

Maybe better the carrot rather than the stick:

Will England buy Scottish water?

http://www.newsrt.co.uk/news/salmond-floats-plan-to-sell-water-to-english-212578.html

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More powers for Scotland but not as much as they would have liked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-17458231

And a firm commitment to steal every pennyworth of oil to ensure we can meet our 45% TAX COMMITMENT to super wealthy

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Cameron has thrown down the gauntlet today in Troon. He aims to reclaim the Saltire. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Gamesa to invest north of £100 million and create up to 1,000 jobs in Leith building an offshore renewable manufacturing facility making nacelles and turbine blades.

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Gamesa to invest north of £100 million and create up to 1,000 jobs in Leith building an offshore renewable manufacturing facility making nacelles and turbine blades.

Heard that on the news, samsc. Scotland is definitely making great progress in this field. Leith is a changed place these days so another shot in the arm for that location.

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