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Started by samscafeamericain, Feb 23 2009 02:23 PM

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#21 notanimby

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 06:04 PM

The Da Vinci Code was a ripping yarn; I am not ashamed to say I enjoyed it.



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Posted 24 February 2009 - 07:38 PM

So, what is a "natural response" Pat and why should an "intellectual pondering" impair it?

What's an "intellectual pondering" for a kick off!
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I'm thinking of natural in this instance as spontaneous and unaffected, KG.

Intellectual pondering - let's see, Could be searching for codes and mysteries whilst dwelling on theories and speculation.

Such activity may impair enjoyment - it may not? I made no assertions.
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Posted 24 February 2009 - 07:57 PM

I'm thinking of natural in this instance as spontaneous and unaffected, KG.

Intellectual pondering - let's see, Could be searching for codes and mysteries whilst dwelling on theories and speculation.

Such activity may impair enjoyment - it may not? I made no assertions.


I would think that you only search for "codes and mysteries" if you approach a piece with the intention of doing just that.
If that is your intention then it can hardly impair your enjoyment, as it is a big part of your enjoyment to explore those codes and mysteries in the first place.

If you approach a piece with nothing particular in mind, then spontaneity and unaffectedness will be a natural result due to your lack of specific intention.

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Posted 24 February 2009 - 08:09 PM

I think you can enjoy art on whatever terms you like really.

Yeh, like I suggested above more than one way of looking at it.

A piece has lots of stories to tell. It might be simply subject matter or might be how it runs parallel with what was happening in the artist's life.
Even how they were made. Most people looking at Michelangelo's David are thinking: "How the feck did he do that!"The experience doesn't have to be all pure "interpretation" in my view.


Interestingly people feel more at home with interpreting a film rather than a painting.


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Posted 25 February 2009 - 10:42 AM

A badly written, clunkily researched book is just that. But it is sad that you see fit to pass disparaging remarks on something you admit you know nothing about.

I'd be willing to bet that the book you refer to is every bit as badly written, and that its same clunky research will include large amounts of reference to the work I referred to.

I don't 'know nothing' about it. Your original post was asking about a book written about a supposed hidden meaning in a painting. I know the painting and I know the theory.

And as I say, it doesn't surpirise me that you are inimical to the ideas at the heart of it.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:16 AM

I like mystery pictures.

That one they had on Vera Duckworths wall - for years I thought it was a big Tomato but it's really a lady in a big red dress. !

Clever stuff indeed. !
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:20 AM

I like mystery pictures.

That one they had on Vera Duckworths wall - for years I thought it was a big Tomato but it's really a lady in a big red dress. !

Clever stuff indeed. !



Yeah, but why did you think you saw a red tomato , eh?
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:23 AM

I like mystery pictures.

That one they had on Vera Duckworths wall - for years I thought it was a big Tomato but it's really a lady in a big red dress. !

Clever stuff indeed. !


May not be clever, LG, but possibly effective? :P

My favourite Kelvingrove painting is 'The Druids Bringing in the Mistletoe'. I'm thinking of learning a little bit more about that and looking at this work with new eyes. It has always fascinated by that it was painted by two artists, Henry and Hornel.

At the moment my love for it arises from things like, the drama of the painting, the colours (claret, gold, kingfisher) and the faces that are full of expression. Could be there's much more to consider?
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 11:27 AM

Hopefully the EU will arrange for all paintings to be standardised and have a bar code - that will put an end to much of this confusing speculation.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 12:07 PM

Hopefully the EU will arrange for all paintings to be standardised and have a bar code - that will put an end to much of this confusing speculation.

Carry on.


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Posted 25 February 2009 - 12:22 PM

I'd be willing to bet that the book you refer to is every bit as badly written, and that its same clunky research will include large amounts of reference to the work I referred to.


How much are you willing to bet?

I don't 'know nothing' about it. Your original post was asking about a book written about a supposed hidden meaning in a painting. I know the painting and I know the theory.


I was talking about the book, you make assumptions why I wouldn't like the book, completely erroneous assumptions, but you make them just the same.

And as I say, it doesn't surpirise me that you are inimical to the ideas at the heart of it.


where do I say that? You are now commenting on your own assumptions.
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:00 PM

where do I say that? You are now commenting on your own assumptions.

It was you who said you wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:19 PM

Apparently if you look at all the characters in Avril Paton's Windows In The West and read their lips they tell you where in the West End the Ark of The Covenent is buried.

Well ... it's just as likely as all that Da Vinci and Poussin stuff.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 01:49 PM

Apparently if you look at all the characters in Avril Paton's Windows In The West and read their lips they tell you where in the West End the Ark of The Covenent is buried.

Well ... it's just as likely as all that Da Vinci and Poussin stuff.


It's in the Grosvenor Cafe, always was. On a shelf next to the holy grail, & guarded by the skelly eyed maiden auntie in black who manned the till and never spoke

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:02 PM

It's in the Grosvenor Cafe, always was. On a shelf next to the holy grail, & guarded by the skelly eyed maiden auntie in black who manned the till and never spoke

Now you tell me!

And me spending the morning digging up the herb garden in the Botanics!

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 02:08 PM

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 04:09 PM

May not be clever, LG, but possibly effective? :P

My favourite Kelvingrove painting is 'The Druids Bringing in the Mistletoe'. I'm thinking of learning a little bit more about that and looking at this work with new eyes. It has always fascinated by that it was painted by two artists, Henry and Hornel.

At the moment my love for it arises from things like, the drama of the painting, the colours (claret, gold, kingfisher) and the faces that are full of expression. Could be there's much more to consider?



Yes there could.

For you I think a suitable question to ask might be.
Could you get a bag to match it!

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 04:37 PM

It was you who said you wouldn't recommend it to anyone.



Because its badly written and clunkily researched; you appear to be implying something else.
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Posted 25 February 2009 - 04:47 PM

Because its badly written and clunkily researched; you appear to be implying something else.


Sam it all stems from a mistake in this post.

Not that one - but I know the story and have read the book by Baigent et al; and let's just say it doesn't surprise me at all that you in particular 'wouldn't recommend it'



Baigent is the author of books about the Holy Grail which might reference Da Vinci's The Last Supper.

You opened this thread to discuss a book about Poussin's The Arcadian Shepherds written by Peter Blake and Paul Blezard.
It was this book (Blake and Blezard) you weren't keen to recommend, not the Baignet book as it is about a totally different theory.

This 'mistake' might go some way to explain the bizarre chiding you are receiving.

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Posted 25 February 2009 - 05:47 PM

I believe we wush sheparateed at burf. your my besh brovver you are


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