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They're running riot with this theme and it's going to backfire.  May seems set on stepping into UKIPs shoes.  Wrong way to go if she's looking for a country that works for everyone as many are being alienated. Including within academia:

LSE foreign academics told they will not be asked to advise UK on Brexit

Experts question legality under anti-discrimination laws as senior politicians criticise move as ‘baffling’

 
Leading foreign academics from the LSE acting as expert advisers to the UK government were told they would not be asked to contribute to government work and analysis on Brexit because they are not British nationals.The news was met with outrage by many academics, while legal experts questioned whether it could be legal under anti-discrimination laws and senior politicians criticised it as bewildering.“It is utterly baffling that the government is turning down expert, independent advice on Brexit simply because someone is from another country,” said Nick Clegg, the Liberal Democrats’ EU spokesman.“This is yet more evidence of the Conservatives’ alarming embrace of petty chauvinism over rational policymaking.”

Sara Hagemann, an assistant professor at the London School of Economics who specialises in EU policymaking processes, EU treaty matters, the role of national parliaments and the consequences of EU enlargements, said she had been told her services would not be required.

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From the Scotsman

The LBC talk show host James O’Brien pointed out that the distinction Rudd made between those “who are members of the nation” and those who are merely “domiciled in the state” comes straight from Mein Kampf.

Some right-wingers dismiss comparisons with Nazism as liberal hysteria. But fascism doesn’t start with yellow stars and death camps; it starts with a subtle process of dehumanisation. Over the past few years we have seen derogatory language used to stigmatise an expanding circle of “outsiders”: first asylum-seekers, then unskilled EU migrant workers and finally “elite” groups, such as students and doctors.


God forbid anyone should be offended

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Pat    0

I think the reaction has paid off. Rudd's plans have been abandoned and guess what – the first child refugees will arrive from Calais within a few weeks. Now we're talking. :)

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lynnski    0

And hopefully that will be the end of that stupid plan!! But I doubt it... :angry:

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The plan stays, just won't be made public.  Meanwhile schools in England now told to confirm each child's nationality.

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Pat    0
12 hours ago, samscafeamericain said:

The plan stays, just won't be made public.  Meanwhile schools in England now told to confirm each child's nationality.

The parents can refuse to do that. They're even asking information about pre-fives.  I think they have taken this all a stage too far. They've got some amount of flak.

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lynnski    0

It is utterly terrifying. Have we learned nothing from the past :(

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rory    0

I think UKIP have made fools out of Conservative Party. They are so anxious to get the support of the people who now follow UKIP that they are adopting their right wing anti migrant stance.

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harper    0

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/12/london-population-growth-twice-that-of-uk-off

London's population is predicted to reach almost 10m by 2025, with many other major cities in England recording record numbers of rising migrant poulations.  Calls for control on immigration is largely to do with controlling numbers where numbers are outstripping available resources and this can be due to migration or in some areas a baby boom which is having an impact on schools. 

Given the statistics given by the NSO, at what point do the number of people actually living in some parts ofthe UK become unsustainable?   Scotland doesn't have a problem with over population.  Some parts of the England have a very severe problem and interestingly, the greatest impact is coming from China into the London Business sector and has nothing to do with UKIP or Europe.

At what point can people have a sensible discussion about population planning and control, in and out of the UK, without being accused on being racist or some sort of Nazi sympathiser, as implied by the opening post? 

Recently, I don't know whether we are are hearing the responses to actual policy on migration or the repsonse to drama whipped up by the media over Brexit ~ full English, continental or dugs ...

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harper    0

Eeek, we seem to have lost rory's post - wisnae me, honest ... at least I don't think it was me. :mellow:

Rory, I read your post late last night and was going to post a response today.  if I have deleted it by accident I am sorry ... :(

 

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when it walks like a nazi duck and quacks like a nazi duck, its a nazi duck.

Free movement of people in the EU works across the EU, there are brits across the EU working in other countries and not being treated as vile as those in the UK.

Where the UK has full control - non eu migrants - those numbers have increased year on year, why would that be, because we need to strip educated and talented people out of other countries 

 

 

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harper    0

I am chuckling at your concern for our EU citizens who wanted to remain but didn't give a hoot about the citizens, resident or otherwise, who wanted to stay within the UK during the independence referendum and the uncertainty they would have faced if the vote had gone the other way.  As I remember, you stated the 55% of voters that didn't agree with you during the Scottish referendum were stupid and now the 52% of voters who have voted for Brexit are racist.  ...Deary me, that sounds a wee bit dogmatic if ever I heard it - but you quack away ...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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sadly our EU citizens didn't get the chance to vote in the EU ref, unlike in the Scottish one, where all residents were entitled to vote.

I listened to QT from Hartlepool as the foaming at the mouth brexiteers shouted down a Polish girl for daring to say she and her fellow Poles were subject to increasing levels of racism since the referendum.  She was not subject to increased debates on the merits of border controls, no it was pure dogged xenophobic racism.

 

Quack quack 

 

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harper    0

UK citizens didn't get to vote in the Scottish referendum to leave the UK so I'm not sure why EU citizens would get the chance to vote in the UK leaving the EU? 

The QT audience didn't say anything until the woman's comment that "52% of people didn't want her," which is quite a big accusation to 17m UK voters.  That is when the audience reacted. The other reaction I head was when the audience were told that the Brexiters didn't know what they voted for.  Really? do we really believe that 17m UK voters are all racists and didn't know what they voted for? 

The Scottish Government lost the Scottish referendum and the UK government lost the EU referendum simply because they didn't convince enough voters.  I don't believe for one minute that the 55% and 52% of voters who voted in a democratic process for their preference are all stupid, racist or misinformed.  In the Scottish referendum, the issue of currency and the continuation of EU membership was unclear, mbiguous and unresolved at the time of the vote.  At the time of the EU referendum the position was clear.... Brexit, whether smooth, hard or soft (beginning to sound like peanut butter), would take all parts of the UK out of the EU and the single market and that alone, is what a lot of people intentionally voted for.  It is easy for people who voted remain to focus on migration as the main issue but there were other reasons people voted to leave, such as expanding trade agreements and taking control of UK laws.

Leanne Wood was broadcasting on LBC this morning and said Wales, who voted overwhelmingly to leave the EU, said that voters weren't asked if they wanted to leave the single market.  Oh, how our leaders fail their communities ...   There may have been a lot of hooha talked about ploughing back NHS funding but what ever happens in the future, at the time of the vote, the rules of the EU and of the single market were clear and pretty unequivical.

Makes me think that referendums don't really solve much.  We now have the country divided on two issues ...

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Please tell me how you expand trade agreements by leaving the biggest trade body in the world?  Please tell me what UK laws are outside of the UK's control? 

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harper    0

I am surprised you don't know.  You seem so sure about everything else. 

Here, try Eversheds.  Friends of mine who work in Europe rate them quite highly for information on global issues and legal updates.  You can register to receive better briefings than one tends to find in the Daily Mail.

http://www.eversheds.com/global/en/what/publications/shownews.page?News=en/switzerland/en/2016_6_24_brexit_news

I didn't vote to leave the EU but I am not that impressed to what we are tied to.   

 

 

 

 

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yes, I've read similar bland nonsense before. 

So, remind me again how we expand our trading footprint when trade deals are now being done on block-2-block basis

And, no need to worry about pesky foreigners crowding London, when this mob upsticks there will be plenty of spaces

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/22/leading-banks-set-to-pull-out-of-brexit-uk?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1477167602

 

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harper    0

Well EU laws and directives are not known for show stopping headlines, want me to throw in a horoscope next time? 

If you want people to answer your questions try answering theirs - it's a recipositry thing - not unlike the  policy in commercial dealings between countries by which corresponding advantages or privileges are granted; and which many Brexit voters feel is just not cutting the mustard when it comes to their trade agreement with the EU. 

And now, I am Brexiting your thread.  Get back to me when you feel like answering some of my questions - and maybe you could throw in some of those povery, diversity and population figures for Bearsden before you start talking down the experience of people living in challenging circumstances.

You know, on first reading I thought the title of your thread was opposing Third Reich posturing, now you seem to be emulating it. "pesky foreigners"  - your term, sweertie, not mine. 

 

 

 

 

 

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when you can work out what parody and irony is get back to me.

 

Likewise when you can tell us about which laws were causing you problems and again, for the third time of asking, how you think the UK will achieve more expansive trade agreements you can preach about me not answering your questions.

As to your constant snipes about where I now live, contemptible.   

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harper    0

The laws I was objecting to?  I think not...  James O'Brian did this so much better on LBC last week.  What did you want me to say?  We will be able to control the shape of our bananas? 

I was a reluctant remainer and it had nothing to do with laws, immigration or trade deals but that doesn't stop me considering other people's reasons for Brexiting.  Hence my statement: ...there were other reasons people voted to leave, such as expanding trade agreements and taking control of UK laws. I don't feel I have to justify or justify other people's reasons and I won't dismiss 17m voters who didn't vote the same way as me as a bunch of racists... End of.

I don't really give a toss about where you live but I am interested in a comparison of data with the places you fail to recognise as facing challenges and your own community - could be a learning experience either way.

Contempt away if it suits you.  Not my circus.  Not my monkey.

 

 

 

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So what are these reasons you are considering, I am still awaiting a coherent answer.  What I do see is someone floundering around trying not to mention the X or R word while that clearly is the prevailing issue.  

As for not giving a toss where I live, you mention it regularly, I'd hate to see how often you would mention it if you had an interest.  As it happens I am less than half a mile from one of the most deprived areas in Europe yet one of those areas that surrounded a block of flats with a human chain to stop the home office bully boys deporting immigrant children.  

 

 

 

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No floundering this end... just not pandering to your inflamatory thread title or responding to your distortions of my posts.

Some people are racist and xenaphobic but I don't believe that this describes the 17m people who voted for Brexit. Last word .... people voted for all sorts of reasons, including  trade issues and sovereignty.

The idea that a city like London is xenaphobic is laughable. London records the highest figures for population, ethnicity and immigration in the country and 60% of Londoners voted REMAIN.  Wales records the lowest figures for ethnicity and immigration and voted Brexit.  That tells us something about people's reasons for voting.

You refuse to consider that any of these votes could be atributed to the simple fact of over population and economic deprevation. Having a geographical distance to povery, deprivation, overcrowding and injustice is not the same as living with.  In my book, you stand for everyone or you stand for no one and not everyone who voted Brexit voted did for the vile reasons that are being ascribed to them, depsite what you like to think.

 

 

 

 

 

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Pat    0

The press are having a field day pushing the xenophobia message.  The case is not being helped by the daft ideas and policies the government are coming up with such as dental checks to gauge the correct age of the handful of child refugees being brought in.  How can they be so ridiculous?

Does this mean that Londoners in general or the 17 m that voted for Brexit are racist. Of course not but unfortunately I think we all know that this was a factor.   Is there a problem with overcrowding and lack of resources in some parts of Britain. There certainly is.  Is there a problem in Scotland with lack of opportunity to grow the population, there's that too.

Hopefully there will be a good meeting with Sturgeon and May and we can all calm down. Although I doubt that but if they are at least civil to each other then that will be something.

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