Between Gorbals and Govan - Scotland Street School

Photo: scotlandstschool. Ian R Mitchell commemorates the centenary of Charles Rennie Mackintosh's Scotland Street School in Glasgow, by taking a look at the communities it once served.

It was once the local jewel in the crown, now it is more an oasis in a desert.

This year witnesses the centenary of the construction of one of the masterpieces by Scotland's greatest architect, Charles Rennie Mackintosh. The Scotland Street School was completed by Glasgow School Board 1906 as the main primary for the areas of Kingston and Tradeston, which lie between the Gorbals to the east and Govan to the west, on the south bank of the Clyde. Various exhibitions are scheduled in the school for its centenary, including one "Glasgow Schools Then and Now" running until the end of October, as are other events at the time of the city-wide Mackintosh Festival which takes place in September.

Glasgow schools of this time were built to a high standard, but also to a fairly standard design. Mackintosh varied the format in Scotland Street by adding Scots baronial tower staircases, thus flooding the building with light. To the then normal provision of separate Boys and Girls entrance doors, (and of course, separate playgrounds), Mackintosh added a diminutive one for Infants. And the decorative features, such as ironwork and tiling, received the distinctive Mackintosh touch. This involved the architect inconstant battles with the School Board, whose misgivings were confirmed when Mackintosh went £1,500 over budget. The total cost for the building was £34,291.

Photo: blue arch. Scotland Street was designed for a school roll of 1250 pupils, but the school now stands marooned in a dead area so typical of those produced by the redevelopment of our cities in the last 40 years. It is surrounded by trading estates and brownsites, and separated from the remaining pockets of population hereabouts by the barrier of the M8 motorway. Such redevelopment and road building shattered and swept away many communities lying between Govan and the Gorbals. It is hard to credit that Kingston and Tradeston, with neighbouring Kinning Park, were populous enough in 1906 to form the parliamentary constituency of Tradeston, which lasted till the 1950s. However by about 1980 the population of both Kingston and Tradeston must have been nearing absolute zero - though things are now changing.

Mackintosh's school was closed in 1979, at a time when inner cities were seen as potential motorways and trading estates, with no future as centres of population. By that time its roll had fallen to less than 100, though when it opened the A-listed masterpiece served a thriving community. Mackintosh's school is now Glasgow's Museum of Education, where modern kids can role play the history of education in various classrooms, set out as they were in the Victorian era, and through the inter war period, to the 1950s and 60s. Those grown-ups who pay the school the worthwhile visit should add to their enjoyment by taking a look at what is left of the community it served for three quarters of a century, and at those adjacent. After more than four decades of decline and decay, there are encouraging signs of improvement.

It is easy to get to Scotland Street School; the subway at Shields Road is just across the road. This had only been open for less than 10 years when the school was built, and it gave locals quick access to the city centre and to the bustling shipyards of Govan to the west, where many of them worked. Doubtless they were as proud of their new Subway as they were of their fine new school building. And this is something we can easily forget about in areas such as Kingston; a century ago they were spanking new areas, growing at a great rate, over land that within recent memory had been green countryside, or the site of fine mansions such as Plantation House and Cessnock House.

Would that the City Faithers, who had constructed Britain's second underground for the Second City, had been far sighted enough to make this system much more extensive. Then we might have been spared some of what we see around Shields Road. The coherent grid street plan existing in 1906, which connected the school and its environs to the rest of Kingston and to neighbouring Kinning Park has been obliterated by flyovers and slipways of the M8, leaving pockets, including the school, trapped between the motorway and the railway lines to the south, which formerly separated Kingston and Kinning Park from Pollokshields. One consolation was that from the M8 one used to have a splendid view of Mackintosh's school, especially when lit up by night. Now a multi-story park and ride facility for the Subway is being built, blocking out any view of the school. Planning is getting better, but dreadful, and avoidable, mistakes such as this are still made. Ironically, it is the firm "Toshie" worked for, Keppie Architects, which is building the car park to hide Scotland Street School.

Photo: scotland st. Kingston was still expanding in 1906, with streets of grid plan tenements going up. The area was one of the better ones in terms of housing hereabouts, certainly superior to their neighbouring Gorbals. The workers in Kingston and Tradeston (and neighbouring Kinning Park) were mainly skilled, with engineering predominating. Just next door to Scotland Street school can still be seen the fine fa?ade of Howden's engineering works, awaiting future use- or demolition. At its height Howdens employed more than 2,000 men making heavy engineering equipment. The works surrounded Scotland Street School on three sides, and apparently the weans would often jump the school wall to play in the works! Many of them would eventually "cross the wall" more permanently to take employment in Howdens.

Another neighbouring works was the Clutha factory of Maclellan's, cranemakers and structural engineers, in adjacent Kinning Park. They built the gorgeous semi -circular glass and steel canopy at Glasgow's Queen Street Station, which still stands, though the fine frontage to George Square was removed some time ago. Both works were still in operation till the 1980s, when they closed, though Howdens operates in a smaller plant a couple of miles west of here at Craigton. One of the last things Howdens built at Scotland Street were the boring machines for the Channel Tunnel.

After the Howden's works, it is interesting to take a walk northwards down Carnoustie Street, under the motorway, and through the deadlands around it, to the former Co-operative building-or complex of buildings- in Morrison Street. Although 1906 saw the official birth of the Labour Party, and in areas like Kingston and Kinning Park many of the skilled workers were organised in trades unions, it was the Co-operative that at this time was by far the most important organisation in working class life. And in its headquarters and associated warehouses the Scottish Co-operative Society was determined to show this fact. While many of its members might have questioned the vast expense the buildings here entailed, they certainly showed that the Co-op was a rising power in the land. The buildings are municipal in size, indeed the architects were accused of using their failed entry from Glasgow municipal Chambers from ten years earlier, for the Co-op building, completed in 1897.

Photo:co-op. The twentieth century saw the virtual collapse of the original ideals and aims of the co-operative movement, and the present buildings have been converted to luxury flats and offices. However there is still a link here with the past in that a block away lies the Co-op Funeral Directors' premises. I was once examining the sculpted reliefs on this building, when the unavoidable Glasgow punter appeared, to watch what I was doing. "Aye, son," he said, "the Co-op isnae whit it wis. But it will still bury ye." Going east along Paisley Road, the gradual repopulation of Kingston illustrated by the Co-op flats is emphasised by a more modest set of houses, the Riverview development, built on the infilled Kingston Dock in the 1980s, to the north of the Co-op.

Paisley Road becomes Kingston Street, and you are now actually in Tradeston, where most of the housing was either demolished, or decapitated, leaving only the ground floor shops and pubs remaining. Almost alone of traditional housing remaining here is the fine former Fire Station on Wallace Street, with its fire workers' houses, which is reached down Centre Street from Kingston Street. This was converted to offices, before the idea of repopulating the inner cities became fashionable. But in Kingston (correct in proof;Tradeston ) too, there is growing repopulation; now-disused warehouses, of which there are many striking examples in Tradeston, as well as factories, are being restored as apartments. However welcome these developments are, we still seem to be, literally, building ourselves problems for the future. Conspicuously absent in all these developments are any family housing units, and even more so, any social, rented housing. The poor are being built out of inner city redevelopment, and one wonders if a population of sinkies, dinkies and skiers is a viable social basis for any community. (see footnote.)

Passing back along Wallace Street and then under the Kingston Bridge, one re-enters Kingston proper. Here was formerly the main mineral terminal for Glasgow and the west of Scotland, where iron ore and coal as well as other materials were unloaded by huge cranes, and then taken by rail to their destinations. Disused by the early 1980s, these cranes were blown up and the area redeveloped. Unfortunately this redevelopment took place at a time when Glasgow was desperate for anything that would be income-bearing, and the area here is an eyesore of the kind one sees in cities in the USA. Cinemas, bingo halls and similar constructions of no architectural merit blot the Springfield Quay area of the riverside. Uglification in its classic form.

Photo: mays. On the positive side, a little further downriver at Mavisbank Gardens lies a mixed, exciting development of housing in a variety of shapes and colours, which gives a vibrancy to the riverside contrasting with the tack of Springfield Quay.

But again, this is a middle-class ghetto, separated from the community around Paisley Road to the south. And here on Paisley Road, for the first time in our walk, we come into real urban bustle, since demolition in this area was not as enthusiastic as elsewhere around.

Many of the finest buildings in areas like this were built by the progressive Glasgow City Council of the time. The schools, the fire stations and others, still stand where their neighbours have fallen. A good example is given here on Paisley Road, with the Kingston Halls and Library, built in 1904, again, a brand new building when Scotland Street school enrolled its first pupils. The halls and library have long since closed and the building today is used as a lodging house, whose inhabitants add a touch of local colour to the proceedings of the street.

As we head towards Paisley Road Toll, the street fills up with buildings, and with their associated inhabitants. Until 1905, here on Paisley Road, within a couple of hundred yards you could enter three independent burghs. Just west of Kingston Docks you left Glasgow Corporation behind, and a stones throw past the Paisley Toll, you entered the independent burgh of Govan. Between lay the smallest, most densest populated - and one of the shortest lived - burghs in Scottish history, Kinning Park. At its narrowest, northern apex, Kinnning Park was less than 200 yards across.Originally part of Govan, the locals had seceded in 1871 and established their Lilliputian burgh of 100 acres and 6,000 people. By 1882 it had its own Town Hall, police force, fire service, public baths, and schools. By the time of its annexation by Glasgow in 1905, Kinning Park had a population of 14,000. And since half the burgh was industry and public buildings, the population density was truly staggering. Even today it is the most populated area between Gorbals and Govan.

Photo: fiorentina. Kinning Park "Cross" would have been where the Angel Building now stands, called after its crowning sculpture, the gilded angel atop its roof pavilion. Often called the "Govan Angel", the building was actually in Kinning Park burgh when erected in 1890. A high quality construction, it, and the associated tenement around, have survived redevelopment to provide a coherence to this pocket of Glasgow that is pleasing. The ground floor was once a gents outfitters, Ogg Bros still fondly remembered locally, and is now an Italian restaurant, La Fiorentina. Surprisingly, in a spot like this, it is a really excellent and award winning one, and a useful place for refreshment on your perambulations. As an alternative, across the road is the Old Toll Bar, reasonable enough on the exterior, but inside possibly Glasgow's finest nineteenth century pub, with fine cut glass and mahogany interiors. One reason the exterior of the Old Toll Bar is less impressive is that its Victorian windows were smashed in a riot during the Glasgow rent Strike of 1915.

On the north side of the road lies the Grand Old Oprey. Many will know that the original of this venue lies in Nashville, Tennessee, but for three nights every week, Nashville comes to the Paisley Road, as busloads of cowboys and cowgals from Glasgow, and from Wild West towns like Larkhall and Blantryre, arrive at the Oprey to listen to Country Music, line dance, eat beans at the chuck wagon, and engage in simulated shoot-outs at the P.R. corral. Not a place for the faint hearted around 11p.m, but a wonderful example of the inordinate capacity that the Glasgow working class have of enjoying themselves. Once I was with some pals in the Old Toll Bar waiting to go to the Oprey. The bartender, seeing we were not regulars, gave us some sage advice,

Photo: oleoprey. "Oh, aye, yiz'll be welcome there. But jist a wee wurd o advice. Dinnae laugh at the shoot-oots, or yooze could be back in here quicker than ye think."

The Kinning Park/Govan boundary generally followed Paisley Road West from here; Govan to the north, Kinning Park to the south. But a wee loop included a couple of tenement blocks on the north side, behind the Angel, in the pocket burgh. Here lay Rutland Crescent, which formerly had a primary school where the great Clydeside socialist agitator John Maclean taught, before being dismissed from his post, at another school, in 1914 for his opposition to the war. Both he and his sidekick James MacDougall were very active in the labour movement in this part of Glasgow, standing for both municipal and parliamentary elections. Though never elected, they polled respectable numbers of votes, running into thousands. "Doon the P.R." there are new houses, lining the street as houses should, and several of these are low cost private housing or rented social housing developments, which is welcome to see. However, most date from the 1980s, and as land values along the river rocket, it will be interesting to see whether redevelopment in the future will simply mean more luxury flats.

Going down Admiral Street to Kinning Park south of the P.R., gives us a bit of an idea what the district must have been like before redevelopment and road building- but it requires a bit of imagination! Under the motorway lie many streets which connected this area to the industrial districts in the south of the burgh, around Maclellan Street. This latter, now a road on a trading estate, was one reputed to be the longest street of tenements in Glasgow; not one remains. Under the motorway itself lies the original ground of Rangers F.C. before they moved to Ibrox, as well as the site of the former Burgh Hall, which was at the bottom of Stanley Street, now truncated. Rangers won nothing while they were here from 1876-87, though Queen's Park did. At a Scottish Cup Final at Kinning park in 1881, they beat Dumbarton 2-1. You would take your life in your hands trying to "kick a baa" on the former ground now! Plantation Park, at Cornwall Street is small, since over half of it went to the motorway, and Cornwall Street continues on the far side of the motorway. Atlantis sank beneath the waves; much of Kinning Park, and Kingston, sank beneath the M8.

Photo: sprayart. Surprisingly, much remains of fascination to the curious, in the residues of Scotland's mini-burgh, walking along Milnpark Street and its side roads. Apart from engineering, the main industry here was food production, and the main such factory, operating from 1860 to 1990, was Grey Dunn's biscuit works in Stanley Street, now part empty and part used for storage. One of the Grey family was the last Provost of Kinning Park. In the same street is a huge complex of a derelict school and ancillary buildings, the former Catholic church of Our Lady and St Margaret's with the associated seminary. This reminds us that the weans here would have seen from the school windows, the place where many of them would spend their working lives, in the biscuit factory just across the road, just as the Scotland Street kids would have, with Howdens. The school is being restored as Glasgow Social Work Department offices.

Not all industry in Kinning Park has closed down. Indeed, on part of the site of the former Maclellan's Clutha works, across the M8, is one of Glasgow's industrial success stories of recent years, the Asian-owned Trespass clothing company's factory. But with 200 workers, it employs a fraction of what Maclellan's did. Also in the handsome former Kingston Engine Works on the corner of Milnpark Street and Portman Street, the multi-national media empire of News International opened its Scottish works in the later 1980s. In the former Kinning Park Bakery on the corner of Stanley Street and Milnpark Street, Rupert Murdoch's News International has a neighbour of a very different political complexion. Here is situated the headquarters of the Scottish Socialist Party, with its walls festooned by examples of agitprop folk art. Appropriately, since he was very active in this part of Glasgow, there is a mural commemorating John Maclean. I suggested to one of their activists, smoking outside the building, that the murals must have been done a while back, since they showed Tommy Sheridan with a full head of hair.

Portland Street joins Scotland Street West; once this was a continuous road of fine sandstone tenements, on both sides, which would have taken you straight to Mackintosh's school. The remaining houses on the north side of the street give an example of what was lost. Kinning Park Subway is the end of our journey. It stands, like a concrete WW2 pillbox, on a grassed over area, where till the 1970s there were tenements. The Clockwork Orange will take you form here back to central Glasgow.

Photo: redbuilding. Redevelopment in the Kingston, Tradeston, Kinning Park area, of what was seen for many years seen as a no-man's land for human habitation, will bring both its opportunities, and its problems. Plans have to be realistic, but at the same time, to aim high. Glasgow School of Art, Mackintosh's greatest masterpiece, is still in used as a working Art School. Is it totally impossible to think that one day, with the repopulation of this area, his Scotland Street school could again function not as a museum- welcome though that option was as an alternative to neglect and demolition- but as an actual school? Once more, be the jewel in the crown?

Footnote; sinkies, single income, no kids; dinkies, double income, no kids; skiers, spending the kids inheritance, ie affluent retirees.

Copyright I.R. Mitchell

Comments

Lived at 19 Rutland Crescent from 1953 until 1965 and went to Lorne Street primary. Would love to hear from anyone who lived there or went to Lorne Street and has old photos of the area.

Norman Taylor | Thu Aug 28 2014

Greatly enjoyed reading all the articles. I was born at 19 Paisley Road West in 1946, just along from the Old Toll Bar and lived there until 14 years of age. I was brought up to believe I came from Tradeston but now think it was Kinning Park? Not old enough to remember the Ogg Brothers Drapery Warehouse but in my time the ground floor of the building was occupied by Burtons the Tailors. Jim Baxters pub was simply known as Jim Baxters , previously The Rogano on the corner of Admiral Street across from the Old Toll Bar. The Grand Ole Oprey was formerly the Imperial Cinema (The Imps) which we all regularly attended as children. We did not have much as children but we were all a happy lot in those days. I attended Shields Road Primary School and then Pollokshields Senior Secondary (formerly Albert Road Academy) Would be happy to hear from anyone of this era. Best wishes, Jim Fraser

Jim Fraser | Mon Aug 18 2014

Hi I lived at 48 Houston Street for a short time from 1942 with my grandmother and her family the Dunn's and Walkers it is so nice reading all these articles brings back such a lot of memories both good and bad I cant remember the names of any of the many friends I had there but remember the air raid shelters all down the middle of the street and taking the jam jars to the picture house, anyone got similar memories would love to hear them ?

Celia Dunn | Mon Jul 21 2014

Hi I stumbled across this site whilst I was looking for any information on My Ancestors the Roberts .My Father Herbert William Roberts known as Billy was born to a Phyllis S Bullen and Charles Roberts altogether they had 5 Children the Youngest being Isabelle Carlin Roberts. Phyllis S Bullen and Her Children were all born on the Isle of Weight ,Charles Roberts I think came from Govan area, when My Dad was about 12/13 Charles and Phyllis must of split up and I think Charles must of gone back to Scotland because not long after Phyllis took My Dad and His little Sister Isabelle to Glasgow where She left them with somebody most probably their Father and/or Grandparents /His Siblings . When My Dad was about 14/15 He joined the Merchant Navy leaving His Sister Isabelle behind with what I think must of been Family .Isabelle stayed in Glasgow until the 60's where My Dad and My Youngest Brother used to visit My Brother seems to think it was Govan/Gorbals area as He was only Young when He used to go with My Dad these were the names that He remembered .As My Dad never talked about His Family other than His beloved Sister Isabelle and how much He loved Glasgow that was all any of us ever knew My Dad was born in 1924 / and Isabelle 1932 She was aprox 6yrs old when She first went to live in Glasgow and She didn't leave until some time in the 60's so I think somebody somewhere might know them or of them here's hoping Marg White

Marg White nee Roberts | Sat Jul 05 2014

Born 1943 22 Rutland Crescent Glasgow SW1

Neil lindsay | Sun May 25 2014

Great to see all the comments. I was born 1938 lived in 28 Weir Street across from Darroch and Espie the old boat and iron works.Went to Scotland street school then on to "lammie"or Lambhill street. Was in the 15th Boys Brigade for years.Old Captain Mctavish!! lots of memories anyone remember the old corkie picture house in Weir street??

George Mackay | Sat Apr 19 2014

hi i was born at 32 plantation street in 1956 went to lorn street school then on to lamb hill street loved running about the cafe in kinning park their was a gang called the kp star thay hung about the cafe as well looking for an old friend called jessie cain that was her maiden name

lillias baxter ne humphries | Wed Apr 09 2014

As a Tradeston Lassie, I enjoyed the information on all the areas of Tradeston Kingston and Kinning Park, I was born in Kinning Street , went to Crookston St School, and I have enjoyed reading all the emails, I have been researching my family tree for years, and look foward to seeing the emails, of streets, some names I remember, and would love to hear from anyone who remembers the Brannans

Mary Boyle | Wed Mar 26 2014

My parents used to have the Albert's cafe in Paisley Road. Can anyone direct me to pictures of Paisley road around the 1960s

Franco Di Meo | Thu Feb 13 2014

I was born at 22 Rutland Crescent and lived at 39 Mair Street KP My auntie Chrissie McCann lived in Mclellan st and my auntie Jean in Lorne st my granny lived in Rutland Cresc Jeanie Craig married to Ninian. My mother was Cathie Graham (nee Craig) and I went to Rutland Cres Primary School from 1947 to 1957. I remember The Grapes bar at the corner of Rutland Cresc, Frank's ice cream shop on the Paisley Rd, Meiklejohn's grocers the swing park in Stanley stand the steamie at the end of Mair St. Also the "ludge" at the end of Rutland Cresc and Miss Macs with the Mackeson's stout ad in her window. Farmer's dairy in Rutland Cresc and my piano teacher above Miss Scullion. I remember the lamplighter coming round in the winter nights and my mother worked at Gray Dunn biscuit factory and the Creamola factory. My grandfather Ninian Craig had three dairies in the district. My best pal was Rena Sinclair at 22 Rutland Cresc. Anyone know her? Ma mammy used to throw me a piece and jam from three up in Mair St and I remember playing on top of the midgies, we had nothing but we were so happy. I was called Jean Graham and my wee sister was Allison, does anybody remember us. We left the area to the new scheme in Ruchazie and I hated it. I also remember the bookies runner I think he was called big John McLean standing up the stairs taking bets long before betting shops were legal. Ah what memeories

Jane | Wed Jan 29 2014

Lived in McLellan Street from 1962 (born Rottenrow) until 1967 when we moved to Linthouse. My dad had lived there since he was born and went to Scotland Street School. He was the youngest of 10 kids in a room and kitchen. Surname is Allan if anyone knows us, remember going to the grocers shop where my mother worked - struggling to remember the name of the woman who ran it, but she'd put your name in the windae if you wanted tick and didn't pay it back on time!

Alex Allan | Tue Dec 24 2013

Does anybody know lna Cassidy, who lived at Shearer Place or ShearerStreet in the 1960's.

George McKelvie | Mon Jul 15 2013

I am looking for anyone who might have gone to Scotland Street School with either my father Gavin Summers or father-in-law Robert French. They were both born in 1927 so attended in the early 30's. My father, Gavin, then went onto Lambhill St. Robert's brother, Harry went here too. The Summers family lived across from Scotland Street School. There were 6 of them-Francis, Gavin, Isobel, Betty, Billy and Eleanor. My Papa Summers was a coal merchant and haulage contractor amongst other things. If anyone had a class photo from dad's class I would love to see it as I have never seen one before and it's unlikely my Papa would have forked out cash for one!

SHONA FRENCH | Sun Jun 09 2013

I am trying to research my gggrandmother.Her death certificate says she died at 3 Wallace grove place.Does anyone know of any where that may tell me exactly what was there in 1888? She appears to have been living alone and I wondered if it could have been a home of some kind? Cheers.Mila ( NZ)

Mila | Tue Jun 04 2013

I am trying to research my gggrandmother.Her death certificate says she died at 3 Wallace grove place.Does anyone know of any where that may tell me exactly what was there in 1888? She appears to have been living alone and I wondered if it could have been a home of some kind? Cheers.Mila ( NZ)

Mila | Tue Jun 04 2013

Hi my grandfather lived in 13 Keydon Street around 1871. His name was Matthew Murphy and was 8 years old at the time. His fathers name was Francis Mothers name Margaret siblings Susan William..I would love to see some photos of Keyden Street before the demo. My grandfather arrived in Sydney Australia in 1920 ...I am working on my family tree would love to hear from someone

Lesley Carloss | Wed May 22 2013

i was born in 139 weir street 1962 then moved to 3 wallace grove place has anyone got any pics at all of theses streets they would be appreciated thanking you very much kenny long live the kp the good old days

k miller | Mon Apr 08 2013

Hi to all My name is Brian Carroll and was born at 183 Pollock St in 1951.I have a brother Gerard and 2 sisters Anna and Maureen We lived in the same close as the Allisons, who moved to Canada, the Tucks, the mcGowans and the Cullens who owned the dairy shop before the McGowans. Remember watching the Orange Walk assemble there then when they left going down and collecting the empty ginger bottles. Also playing footba' doon the back with the Hughes bro's , Big Stuart Daniels, old Jake from the bookies and the McKenzie boys. Also fondly remember playing Footba in the back od Scotland St school then going over to the Shanndon Bells for a pint. Used to go into the Pollock Snacks for breakfast on Saturday mornings before heading to the Burns Cottage to hear a live band before going to the Football. Also remember going to the Highland Dancing in the Kingston Halls or going to the Marquee at the Toll. Left Pollck St when the house was getting pulled down to make way for the Kingston Bridge. .

Brian Carroll | Sun Mar 17 2013

I found this all fascinating. My great grandparents ran a newsagent / tobacconist, or it could have been a butchers, in Cornwall Street. The addresses I have for them are 48 Cornwall Street from at least 1901 to 1947 and 28 Cornwall Street. Their surname was Maurice - he was John and his wife was Annie Robertson. They had a lot of children - at least 9. Does anyone know of them or have any photos of that area.

Sue Morley | Tue Mar 12 2013

I found this all fascinating. My great grandparents ran a newsagent / tobacconist, or it could have been a butchers, in Cornwall Street. The addresses I have for them are 48 Cornwall Street from at least 1901 to 1947 and 28 Cornwall Street. Their surname was Maurice - he was John and his wife was Annie Robertson. They had a lot of children - at least 9. Does anyone know of them or have any photos of that area.

Sue Morley | Tue Mar 12 2013

iwas born 6th oct.1946 and adopted my birth motherwas margaret cassidy born 2nd nov.1912.at 134 houston st.my sister was patricia cassidy born 31st may 1938they were in hackney london circa 1948.my grandparents were james and margaret cassidy nee'mccann.my uncle william and wife margaret stayed atthis address until the sixties.there is also a connection to 49 watt st.information appreciated

joan sexton | Fri Dec 28 2012

Hi all, I am trying to find my fathers family. Do not know what school he went to but thought that I would give here a try. My father was James Stewart. he was born in 1926 and grew up in Mair St Plantation. He had brothers Ian, Bart & Charles. his parents were James & Mary. Any help would be great even if someone would know what school they would have went to.

Chris Stewart | Thu Dec 20 2012

Does anyone know a girl called Ina Cassidy who lived in Shearer Street or Shearer Place in the 1960's

George McKelvie | Wed Nov 28 2012

Does anyone know a girl called Ina Cassidy who lived in Shearer Street or Shearer Place in the 1960's

George McKelvie | Wed Nov 28 2012

My nane is James Eakins (known as Jim) and I was born at 296 Carnoustie Street Tradeston. I attended Scotland Street Primary School from 1933-1940 and then Lambhill Street School 1940-1942. My wife Christina Morrison Weir also came from 259 Carnoustie Street. She attended Crookston Street School, Scotland Street Primary School and then Hollybrook Street School. We both thoroughly enjoyed researching your website and hearing of the old areas of our youth. When we first married back in 1952 we got a house a 202 Scotland Street which was between Weir Street and Carnoustie Street. We had two fine sons named Jim and David. If you know us or would like any information please get in touch. We often wonder what became of all of our childhood pals e.g Geordie Britain from 284, John Clkunie from 296, James Harley from Scotland Street, John Logue from 296, James Swanson from 284 and Peter Dick from 266. Also Georgie McLean who married a Canadian Soldier, Agnes Reid, Agnes McLaughlan, Betty Purdie, Margaret MacGarrigle from 296, and countless others. Have some photographs which could be e-mailed.

James Eakins | Sat Nov 17 2012

Reading this with my daughter I felt compelled to comment about the need to not forget the s tables that belonged to the cooperative on West street and Scotland street that housed the horsesthat delivered all stock to the cooperative buildings in the south side. I was born in 1951 at 212 carnoustie street and my family both my mother and father also grew up in this area. A great place at that time with a strong community spirit however also aware that the buildings did need updating but sadly removed for the Kingston bridge construction

duncan mcneil | Tue Oct 16 2012

I have photographs of Lily Mac Lean HUMANwho was best chum of my grandma.Lost the Link with Lily - Think she emigrated c1933.Would like to pass on to rightful owner. Family Names are all from Glasgow but would not necessarily help for a friend.

George | Wed Sep 05 2012

I enjoyed the article on Scotland st School I was a pupil at the school from 1936-1941 when I transferred to Hutchie. Does anyone have photos of that period ?. I lived in Pollock St. My grandparents lived on Paisley Rd West. My grandfather had a furniture store on a corner st close to a park ( Kinning Park ?) across the St if I remember correctly was the Lorne cinema and a Catholic school. Does any one know or remember the location.His name was Mitchell I a writing an autobiography and trying to get some facts straight. I have lived in the USA most of my life ( now 80 )

Milton Taylor | Sat Sep 01 2012

hi diane madden i rebember your family at 368 scotland street you stayed across the landing from us we were the robertsons do you remember us ive just whent into this site and found your message you had a brother as well didnt you i think his name was john as well hope to hear from you soon bye

margaret odonnell | Wed Aug 15 2012

Great but an any one help e. who remembers th 50 pitches. Ad where can I get evidence of them. These English don't believe tt we had such a huge sports area. mind you havnt told them about the changing areas ( behindthe gole) ad cleaning facilities ( bucket >

Bob | Mon Jul 02 2012

In reply to jean pandelus above Do you have a brother james? I think he was in my class at lambhill Street School in the early fifties.My name is Bill Everitt if possible would it be possible to contact him. Regards. Bill Everitt.

Bill | Mon Jul 02 2012

Hi My Father lived at 131 Weir Street 1916-1941 can anyone tell me the nearest Primary school to Weir Street, his name was Harry Stanley, he lived with his Maternal Grandmother Ruby Cammock.

Isabell Rankin | Sat May 05 2012

HI, my father was John Oneill born april 24 1924 and baptised at st margarets church kinning park he lived in glasgow until about 1950s when he married my mum patricia ohanlon ,they lived in liverpool, when they split up in 1960s he vanished into thin air, i dont know if he's dead or alive, or where he ended up. he may have had a sister. does the name johnny oneill ring any bells? he was a very tall guy about 6ft 2 and looked very similar to sean connery

carol jones nee oneill | Fri Apr 27 2012

My grandparents lived at and were married in 34 Vermont Street in 1907. I'm looking for a photograph of the building or similar and would be very graetul for ny help.

L Hills | Tue Apr 24 2012

hello everyone it was realy nice reading your storys we lived at 20 rutland cresant i tell you what it was wonderfull my granny stayed on mair st near steammie and my anty lived on mclean st

violet nicolson | Sun Apr 01 2012

I lived on McLellan Street for the first few years of my life. Born in 1965 and moved to Ibrox when the tenements were pulled down for the motorway. My Dad was Billy Poole, mum is Betty. Two sisters, Elizabeth and Angela. Remember playing out the back, going down the street to the shop for sweeties and my sister's feet being set on fire by two boys up one of the closes. She had a cat suit on and the material melted on one of her feet (she was okay). Also remember Bonfires out the back and the middens. My Dad died shortly after moving to Ibrox so the promise of new life in better housing didn't work out so well for our family (although I loved Ibroxand was sad to see the flats come down).

Caroline poole | Sun Mar 25 2012

I was born at 34 vermont st 1949 I remember the penny a ride man I served my time at mcneils boilers in scotland st.I was a great place with some right cases big Lesley the money lender he used be outside mcneils every friday collecting.The corky picture house and charlie Boners the barberI served my time with a guy called brian Madden he emigrated to OZ .His family ran the howood bar.Alot of good trademen from KP

jim oneill | Sun Mar 11 2012

Hi would like to hear any stories about the ppl of kinking park,ect!kayden street lamb hill st,in the 1940s my mum Mary gallecher lived there with her mum and dad and 8 kids,my grandad was a platerer in how dens a think,and he worked in the pub at the corner and I think helped the bookie,any stories wid b gr8ful and will be appreciated

Maryellen Gordon | Thu Mar 08 2012

I lived at 9 Shearer Place from 1950 until 1966. One person asked about Ina Cassiday, I loved in the house above her. Another person mentioned "the Cherry Tree", my granny lived across the street and she had the occasional drink on there with other elderly ladies. My Uncle Alex (elkie) was also a regular, the last name is Bryce

George Bryce | Wed Mar 07 2012

Still looking for a Tradeston friend of mine without much luck. Her name is INA CASSIDY and she lived in Shearer Street in the 1960's. Must have moved when the motorway was built. Does anyone know where she is now and how she is getting on.

George McKelvie | Fri Mar 02 2012

For those who are looking for photographs of Scotland st school go to friends reunited then on to the school. They have a lot on there for different years. Hope that helps. I was from Houston st

Joan McNulty | Mon Feb 27 2012

My name is Joanne and I am searching for my birth mother or her family. I lived at 22 Cornwall street until I was 9. I was born in Govan on May 31, 1958. I went to Bellahouston Academy. Sorry for the spelling. I was the product of an affair.

Joanne Dickinson | Mon Feb 13 2012

Hi i was born in scotland street and i am looking for any relations of my dads side,there is a post from a peter mitchell and i was wondering if you were a relation (long shot)peter if you have any brothers could you name them for me,my mum was from the morton family,i am the first born and have the same colour hair as my dad,thanks.

geraldine bozkurt(mitchell) | Thu Jan 19 2012

hi wot a great sight and lots a memories , i was wondering if anyone remembers the boyds from plantation street and mclean street my mum was martha [mona] boyd her sister isa married to wullie godfrey an then charlie kelly who a believe his mum had a shop in plantation st my mums brothers were hughie an jim boyd who both moved 2 priesthill and were both dockers my mum married my dad and moved to johnstone any info would be great , thank you xx

nancy mcguigan | Wed Jan 18 2012

Hello, great site and comments!! I LOVE Scotland!! I grew up in Cornwall Street... :) Anyone have any pics of this street before they utterly sadly demolished it?? HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! XXX

Halima | Sat Jan 07 2012

i have been researching my scottish roots from the 1800s and have visited all the adresses found, mainly round Glasgow.The family lived for many years in Kinning Park, stanley st in 1900 and various other streets ending at no6 keyden st up to demolition. last summer i had a pleasant lunch time in the stanley arms and had a chat to the charming landlady.the latest person i managed to find was a Marshall Hunter Taylor who was born in 1940 and lived at 6 keyden st until demolition. If anyone has any memories of marshall or his mother maggie i would ask you please to contact me as soon as possible PETER KINDER tue dec 27 2011

peter kinder | Tue Dec 27 2011

Just came across your site about tradeston.Iknew a girl called Ina Cassidy who lived in Shearer Street and also her friend called Margaret Coutts who also lived in Shearer Street. The year was 1965.Does anybody know where they are now and how they are getting on. Maryland65.

George McKelvie | Sun Dec 25 2011

i lived with my parents john and nancy Madden we lived on scotland street above the shields road subway my parents came from and schooled in kinning park area does anyone remember the Maddens or o briens from this area i940 onwards until we were moved on for redevelopment in the area.remeber the shandon pub on scotland street and the cafe.

diane madden | Sun Dec 18 2011

hi colin wallace i lived at 38 doncaster st maryhill[p] hugh helen granjanet mc donald [u]george ina mcdonald cousens alex isabel helenmc donald friends duilcrippn gordon mcallister john lennoxcarren may reidsfamily my sister name is sheana wallacealso themc clarens who lived above us nancy bill kidsmagaret nancybilly elisabethcontact me please

colin wallace | Fri Dec 16 2011

I wonder if any one knows where Anthony Brown , who lived with The Brown family in Kellas street, in Govan In Wine Alley, Young Alex is enquiring, If some one replies I will send it to Alex, Janette Lennox

Janette Lennox | Wed Dec 14 2011

Great article, just been reading through it again brought back a lot of memories. Played football on the "Plantation Plots" back in the early 60s also on the 50 pitches which are still there and can be seen from the M8, but there are no longer 50 pitches. Went to speedway meetings at the White City, that disappeared with ther M8 but the old gasometer just behind the greyhound results board remained. The 15th Company Boys Brigade used some of the classes and gym hall in Scotland Street School on Friday nights. Church were attended at Pollok Street Church at the Paisley Road end of Pollok Street, next door to Fleck's Pub, the church hall was used by a badminton club on Monday and Saturday night. One night somebody came in saying there was a fire on the other side of the river. Several of us rushed out and went down the alley at the side of the Kingston Halls as it was then, two of us and I was one climbed over the wall and dropped down onto the railway and crossed to the wall on the far side. The heat from the fire could be felt from where we were standing as it was directly across from Cheapside Street where a whisky bond had gone up in flames. Used to go into Alberts Cafe round from Pollok Street in Paisley Road and also the cafe in Scotland Street near the subway, think it was called Gino's.

Neil Millington | Thu Dec 08 2011

I lived in Tradeston from 1943 to 1965 when I joined the Royal Air Force. Back in 1946 I attended the primary school known as either Carnoustie Street or Dalintober Street Primary. I have just uncovered photos of 3 years spent at that school. Some of the people I can remember others I can't, such as David Cameron, Sam Kelly, Jackie Rae, Ann Bell, Cathy McKinnon and Cathy Aitken and Betty Lang. Does anyone recognise any of these names? There have been a lot of changes in Glasgow since then. I lived in Gloucester Street and when I left the primary school I went to Pollokshields Senior Secondary for three inglorious years. I moved back to Glasgow in the 80s for several years, before moving to Stranraer then back to Glasgow where I lived until 2007 when I moved to Nottingham. If anyone recognises any of the names and would like copies of the photos don't hesitate to get in touch and I will email them to you.

Neil Millington | Wed Dec 07 2011

My father's family were from Plantation and then Kingston. I lived in Walace Grove Place (a play street), attending the school over the road for a year. My grandmother Polly McGlone lived two flights up from us and use to throw a piece in jam wrapped in paper across the road into the school playground. I think before that we lived in Lambhill Street. I intend checking on all of this. My father Howard McGlone and his father Frank McGlone both worked in the docks. I think they lived in Maclean Street or Plantation Street. My father knew the boxer Jacie Marshall mentioned in one of the articles. I remember going to the dock labour board building in Govan Road? and my father taking me to two book shops in the area, one on the Paisley Road going east which use to put an A on your comic so you could trade it back. My mother Cathy McGlone worked in Kirkwoods a dress shop beside the cinema that's now the Grand Old Oprey. We moved to Pollok in 1958 and I now live in Wimbledon.

Frank McGlone | Mon Nov 28 2011

anyone remember the petrol station between the scottish sailmakers building and the subway? recently found a photo of the sailmakers building on canmore taken in 1968 which shows the petrol station was still open then the petrol sold was national petrol i cant remember the petrol station being open can only remember it being closed and derilict also does anyone remember when the petrol station and sailmaker building were demolished?

DONALD KIRKBRIDE | Wed Nov 23 2011

i am so exited to have found this site i lived at 248 Paisley rd between 1962 and 1978 i loved the whole place i have great memoirs my family was the Given family my sister Margaret Sheila brother John and Robert lived there i remember the Marquee at the toll before it was the grand ole opry i used to work there remember the pollok snack chippie the best in the world we as kids played where the quay bingo is now the people we hung about with were WULLIE SCOTT TAM & JOHN BALL EDDIE GRANT ANNE MCGOWAN MARGARET MGREGOR all these people were great the naigbours the cussaks dochartys sissy cobbs rosie &peter tutty sandra & joe barr to name but a few all wonderful people i will never forget i hope someone reads this and gets in touch i have lots more to tell MAUREEN WATSON nee GIVEN xx

maureen watson | Mon Nov 14 2011

In answer to some of the questions asked by Donald Kirkbride:- The pub on the corner of Shields Rd. & Paisley Rd. was called The Crown (owned by David Record). The bakery on the corner of Houston St. & Watt St. was the City Bakery. The pubat the corner of Admiral St. opposite The Old Toll Bar was Rogano which later changed it's name to Jim Baxters when he managed it. The Grand Ole Opry was previously a picture house called the Imperial. The Grant furniture store was on the site of a cinema which burned down. The bookies on the corner of Wallace Grove was owned by a chap called Jack Telky. The pub on the corner of Pollok St. opposite Kingston Halls and the Library was called Fleck's(owner Joe Fleck}. The newsagent next to the Old Toll Bar was called Buchanan's & the bank along from it was the Savings Bank of Glasgow which later became TSB

Harry McNeill | Tue Oct 04 2011

My grandfather, Irish migrant worker, was living at 32 Lambhill Street when he was called up in 1916. Family history has it that he was working as a farm labourer but looking on google maps Lambhill St appears to be in an industrial/post-industrial area. Any idea what the area would have been like 1914 - 1916? thank you

Paddy McMenamin | Tue Sep 06 2011

hi we were born in the late 30s in maclean st plantation we would love to get in touch with anyone who remembers us or our familys. hugh,jimmy, douglas, lily, billy maclean or jim and norrie mcdonald

mattie mcdonald walter maclea | Sun Jul 17 2011

Does anyone remember the Mrs "Big Heart" competition run by one of the daily papers? My Dad's Aunt Nellie was the winner of this and appearedin the paper with many stars. This woman washed floors for families. she painted walls and hung wallpaper. for people who moved into homes and if they had no money she scraped together paint and paper for them if they were in need she went to there aid, What a woman was oor Auntie Nellie Lennox, she also looked after her own big family "and" mine "Good old Auntie Nellie X J Lennox

Janette Lennox | Wed Jul 06 2011

I'm looking for anyone that might have known a Christine Thomson or Her son Robert McKinnon Thomson . They lived in Glasgow on crookston street. Christine would have lived there in 1920 and worked in the biscuit factory. Anything anyone an remember would be a great help.

Robert McKinnon Thomson | Fri Jun 03 2011

hi Janette lennox once again, someone wrote about Jackie Marshall, is this the same Jackie who was the Boxer, who bought his petrol in the Princes Dock petrol station in 1962/3 , if so I remember serving him often he rested his elbow in the boot of his car and his head in his hand in order to give his chat up line, my grandson has had his first kick boxing fight 8 I was very shocked when there was no one of his ability he was shoved in with others who had fought and won before he did well with the first guy but the second wow, talk about being shoved in at the deep end, and there was the other boys trainer constantly screaming, and he would have known it was wee yin first fight so the child was not only fighting an experienced child but the screaming trainer I felt pretty sick it would have been nice if he had fought at least one on the same level as him, i used to watch Boxing and you could see that there was clear cut rules even the Wresling also had had clear rules but with this it appears anything goes, watching the child I thought of Jackie Marshall, I was just a big bit shocked that is my worry for the week Janette Lennox Goalie , my ready to fight

Janette Lennox | Tue May 31 2011

I am researching my family tree and was wondering if anyone can let me know of any informaion on the residents of Cornwall St. My father grew up ther from 1933 his name was Robert Douglas and he attended the Lambhill school in the Forties. His father was also Robert and his mother was Jean. He also had a sister called May my grand father worked as a corker on the Clyde untill enlistment in the war. If ay one can recall anything about this area during these times I would love to hear from you.

Cameron Douglas | Sun May 29 2011

hi did not know this site existed.born 1943 merryland street govan,moved to 84 cornwall street kinning park 1944.attended both wee lamie and big lamie,got my survival certificate 1955.been various places now live in ne scotland.very interested in hearing from any of the mcwatt clan still in the area

john mcwatt johnston | Sun May 08 2011

Hi is anyone related to the Fulto famliy that lived at 96 McLellan St in 1901. My great grandpa was John Darroch Dallas Fulton. His wife was Annie. They had the following children: Marion, Annie, Mary, Georgina, John, and Neil. There were alot more children. Am looking for any relatives still living in Scotland or some one who knew of them.

Nicole | Mon Mar 07 2011

Jeanie Deans, We lived above this pub until early 70s,at 5 Govan Road Paisley Road Toll, I have clear memories of my time there. 5 Govan Rd - Neighbours, Mr Dempster,Vincent the violinist,Mr+ Mrs Farren,My Granny and Granda Adams. Mixture of flats some quite grand compared to our room and kitchen, although this was the early 70 the landings still had gas mantles.A 'dunny' passage way through to the bins and back 'gardens' the 'jakies' would sleep down there at night,we never where aloud out to play here.Next door was Thompsons piano shop who where infact the landlords of our biulding. Across the road was waste ground looking on to the clyde and Iron Orr boats. Plantation Park 'planny park' Granny would take us there often and it always seemed to be sunny, spent many an afternoon at the bowling green facinated by the sound of the woods and white pebbles that surrounded the pitch and the planny park had the most fab rose garden. St Margarets Primary School, Started of at the Wee School huts then up to the big school teachers there where Miss Scott,and the wonderful Miss Mckinnon. Ropes openned the top window and I can still smell the passageway from the school through to the chaple next door. Grey Dunns, My mum was Supervisor here Margaret Adams (Burns) again i can smell the factory just walking up the street. It is strange that anyone who lived in this area has a strong link to it that never goes away. Shops, Curleys for butter patted into greasproof paper, Mchargs Bakers, Nicols Stores Haberdashery,Yellow Bird Chippy, I could go on and on.....

s goldie | Sat Feb 19 2011

This is a long shot, but would anyone else be a descendant of Robert Thomson who was born on Ronaldsay, Orkney and was a farmer originally, but who was living with his wife Catherine (nee Garriock) at 96 Plantation St Govan in 1890 when his daughter Mary (Anne) Thomson was born? Mary had an elder sister named Maria Catherine. Mary later moved to Kent with her husband, James Aird (whose family were originally from Campsie, Stirling). I'm sure there would have been Thomsons of this family who remained in the area? I notice the Thomsons' tv rental shop? Could be a connection?

Thomson girl | Thu Feb 17 2011

anyone remember the millar family who lived in wallace grove place who were in the paper for not washing their close seem to recall it could have been between 1967 and 1970 sorry i cant be more specific seem to also recall mad mitch was in the paper at the same time of the not washing the close incident my granny and granpa(mums mum and dad) lived at 17 shields road

DONALD KIRKBRIDE | Sun Feb 06 2011

anyone remember the name of the pub on the corner of pollock street the pub was across the road from the library only name reference ive found was red hackle which someone thought was the pub name but am sure it was the name of a whisky. i remember in the 70's there was heavy rain and everything got flooded and this pub had bar stools floating in the flood water in the pub. further to my previous comment i also remembered about the shop beside the old toll bar pub that sold household goods and radios my granpa bought one in there and it could pick up police and fire service radio messages. beside this shop was a 24 hour grocer which had the local nickname ali baba(not pc i know but then again there was no pc bods in those days) beside it was a newsagent which had two machines which you could get tea or coffee from beside it was a tobacconists and beside that a bank the tsb i think. cant remember much about the rest of the shops on paisley road mainly because they are lost in the mists of time

DONALD KIRKBRIDE | Tue Jan 25 2011

my mum and dad came from the shields road/houston street area my mum margaret macdonald her brother was also donald but was called donnie. granpa was Donald granny was chrissie was brought up in shields road at number 17 though they had been at number 23 and lived one stair up then moved down to the bottom house in number 17. i can remember the cherry tree pub on the corner of wallace grove/shields road and remember the notice for the lounge bar which said couples only no single women but cant remember the name of the pub on the corner of shields road/paisley road my grandparents(mums mum and dad) held their 50th golden wedding party in there then we went back to the house to continue the party, there were gratings in front of the pub on shields road which were always filled with rubbish, there was a scrappie on the other corner of shields road/wallace grove. also remember vals dairy in watt street and the pub just along from it cant remember the name though there was a huge piece of open ground where tenements were knocked down also remember a bakers on the corner of houston street/watt street which sold mis shapen biscuits from the dunn biscuit factory on the corner of shields road/houston street was a newsagents and further up was shields road dairy where you got good rolls it did a good trade with workmen from howdens, also remember the sail makers near the subway and the petrol station beside the subway. there was a laudrette which was on pollock street which i used to be sent to with the washing by my granny. also remember the fish and chip shop opposite the library and also alberts cafe and the man who made tablet who had a shop and the newsagent beside it. my cousin willie stewart lived in wallace grove and two of his pals tam and mick nellis lived on watt street also another pal cant remember his first name but his surname was finlay also elisabeth and raymond mcnaughton who lived at the top flat of number 17 their dad was a milkman and had a ford classic capri. remember one time we were staying there and the cars got windscreens and side windows smashed luckily our car got its side window done not the windscreen. i also remember grants furniture store at the corner of seaward street/paisley road and woolworths we used to be chased off for doing the harry worth gag on the grants store windows, we never did any vandalism or anything just silly things like going past all the closes shouting coal after the coalman had left and you could hear windows getting opened and saw heads sticking out looking for the coalman who of course was away by then. we also used to go across on the ferry and come back through the tunnel which was spooky as there were pigeons and dripping water. also remember the tv shop at paisley road toll and the pubs on the corners of admiral street my dad used to walk the dog at 10pm and get the post and sunday mail which were sold outside the old toll bar cant remember the name of the pub jim baxter owned which was on the other corner. dont remember ever seeing what is the grand ole oprey ever open it was always boarded up, can remember lying on the grass at plantation park and hearing the subway rumbling along underneath. also remember being taken to partick to visit my ganpas nephew donald mckinnon and him walking us to the subway when we were going home and him buying me a packet of sweets from the machine think they were called poppets, also remember the train yard and the windows in the big room vibrating when a train was stopped on the rails opposite the house could never watch them though as the wall was too high. anyone remember the millar family who lived in a close between the school and the bookies on the corner in wallace grove they were in the paper for not washing the close and making the place untidy cant remember the year though probably the 70's. also remember granny clarks shop in watt street as well

DONALD KIRKBRIDE | Tue Jan 25 2011

Am looking to hear from anyone who lived in Plantation St, Glasgow from '44 - '62. My dad was John Mclean, and his sisters were Joyce and Pat. We live in South Afica now and he went back to Glasgow in 2008 for the first time and couldnt believe the change and would love to hear from anyone round about that time that may or may not remember the Mclean's

Pamela Cribbins | Wed Jan 05 2011

Hullo there. lived at 44 maclellan st. from 49 to 59 auntie lived a few closes up granda and grannie a few closes down the other way other auntie lived further down nearer the subway end. have a bagful of memories about the plots the plantation park and the parkies so want to hear more , let me know

Ronald Dickinson | Sat Jan 01 2011

TO HELENE LENNOX NEE THOMSON I WONDER DID YOU MARRY A RELATIVE OF MINE? GRAND FATHER WILLIAM LENNOX HIS BROTHER WAS ALEX , FROM GORBALS THEN WINE ALLEY IN GOVAN, I TOO WAS BORN IN SOUTHERN GENERAL 1945. IT MAY BE INTERESTING. WISHING ALL A VERY HAPPY HEALTHY PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR XXX

Janette Lennox | Thu Dec 30 2010

Loved the article. I was born in Govan 1953 and have a lot of family (Lindsays,Hairs, Egans, Govans) who lived in the KP area from 1850s onwards (Bolton Ardgowan Houston, Tower Streets), also in Plantation (Blackburn and McLean St.s)and Govan area (Hoey, Neptune Kintra streets). Would love to see any contemporary photos... but interested to correspond. Thx again for the great article. Gerry Egan Australia.

Gerry Egan | Tue Dec 14 2010

I lived in Mclellan st and Cornwall St went to Lambhill St Primary School 1951 then Albert Road Academy I trained as a nurse at The Southern General Hospital was born there 1946. I have lived in England, Houston Texas and South Africa would love to hear from school friends or neighbours

Helene Lennox nee Thompson | Tue Nov 02 2010

janette Lennox once more , through this page I have found 4 families of cousins that I had totally lost touch with since early sixties, and this is fantastic, and through this I have learned a lot about my own grand father, whom I was very close with my new found cousins have been so kind, it was enough to find relatives after all this time, i have been given photo.s of my own granddad which i had never seen in my life , copies of which i have given pride of place in my [ when one comes from the WINE ALLEY are we alowed to say the parlour?] best to say pride of place in RAA LIVEN ROOM ! thank you so much to this Website. I AM BEING SO GREEDY NOW I ASK YOUR READERS DOES ANY ONE HAVE A PICTURE OF MY UNCLE WILLIE LENNOX HE HAS PASSED AWAY AT THE SAME TIME AS MY FATHER HIS BROTHER MY INTENTION IS TO WRITE A BOOK OF MY LIFE AS BEING BROUGHT UP IN "SUNNY GOVAN" MY LIFE HAS BEEN INTERESTING AS I WENT FROM THERE TO THE "HIGH LIFE LARGE HOUSE BRAND NEW 5 BEDROOMS 3 PUBLIC ROOMS TWO BATHROOMS, IN SIXTIES TWO CAR FAMILY , BOAT , CARAVAN , AND WITH A CLICK OF FINGERS IT WAS GONE BANKRUPTCY THROUGH HUSBANDS LOVE OF BEING BIG FISH IN WEE PUBS, I CAN SAY I HAPPINESS WAS IN THE WINE ALLEY WITH SANNY'S IN SUMMER AND WELLIES IN WINTER NOT THE BIG HOUSE ECT, SO I AM BACK IN A WEE HOOSE BUT AS A MINISTER THAT CAME TO LAMBHILL ST REV CURRY SCHOOL SAID IT'S NOT THE HOUSE YOU LIVE IN IT IS THE "HOME" YOU MAKE IT, "SO TRUE" NOW MY BEGGING ,,, MY UNCLE WULLIE LIVED IN LAMBHILL OR CORNWALL STREET HE WAS GREAT PALS WITH THE JANITOR OF LAMBHILL STREET A VERY TALL HANDSOME MAN LIKE ALL THE MEN IN THE FAMILY HE WAS VERY TANNED SKIN, WITH WELL GROOMED BLACK HAIR AND ALWAYS WORE A SUIT AND WHITE SHIRT AND TIE, I WONDER IF ONE OF HIS FRIENDS HAVE A PHOTO WITH HIM IN IT OR ALONE , SORRY FOR BEING SUCH A BEGGER I AM TURNING INTO A WUMAN WI NEA PRIDE , AHL GEA WINE ALLEY A BAD NAME. THANKS AGAIN

Janette Lennox | Sat Aug 14 2010

I grew up at Mair Street,Plantation, I lived up above the pub known as The Gluepot,anybody know it as anything else.Next door was the Steamie and then a Scrappy.In the back of our close was a company called Connells, we used to play in there,it was stacked with sacks full of walnuts and whatever else.Would like to hear from anyone from the Plant and see pictures of the area,1960 - 1970

D.HISLOP | Thu Aug 05 2010

I am Janette Lennox 65 went to Lambhill St School,lived in Edmiston Drive had to run all the way from ibrox to school and was always stood in line with all the boys for the two pronged strap which left a whelt right up your arm. My father Mick lennox and brothers Alex Willie and Sammy were brought up in the gorbals then in Kellas street Govan My granda hired out his Barrows for 2/6 a flitting,Granda was a lamplighter. My mother lived in the street oposite the Grand old Oprey, her name was Myra Annan Ross her sister was Madge I wonder if anyone knows the where abouts of my mothers relatives the daughters of her Aunt Kate, and her grand daaghters, i can remember a name "Rosie McGinty" Or does anyone remember my fathers brothers Brothers

Janette Lennox | Sat Jul 24 2010

Loved the comments everyone wrote. I grew up in K.P. Howwood st, just off of Scotland st. Had to move on account of the M8. Attended Lambhill st secondary school. My pal Jackie Marshall and I had great times playing in the streets for hours, the biggest crime we would commit, would be chapping someones door and running away. The good auld days indeed!!.. Thanks everyone for the memories. :)

Rosemary Ferguson | Mon Mar 29 2010

i grew up at Paisley Road Toll and this site brings back such wonderful memories, like the swing park in Stanley Street and clonking my heid oan the maypole! I went to Rutland Crescent school and then on to Bellahouston, does anayone have any photos of Rutland Crescent School or round about the Toll? We had great chippies in that area, Mair Street, Pollok street, Scotland Street, Ibrox, I remember them (and miss them) well!

jean pandelus | Tue Feb 16 2010

We live in Australia and have some friends who attended Scotland Street School between 1947-1952/1953. We are wondering if anyone has any student photos from this time. Our friend said that she had been able to view a class photo at the school museum some years ago - but would really love a copy for herself. Does anyone have one, or is able to help us source one please?

D and W O\'Rourke | Sun Nov 29 2009

i would like to hear from anyone who might have any photos of keyden st kinning park prior to demolition or any memories of the area

peter kinder | Mon Nov 09 2009

i was pleased to read letters about kinning park .my grandfather francis alexander smith lived at 6 keyden st until he volunteered for the great war and became a gordon highlander. he convalesced in derby england where he married my grandmother florence austin.they had 3 children dorothy james and donald.my grandfather had a sister jean and brother james. their mothers second husband was named hunter and they had three children and lived in keyden st until it was demolished my aunt jean smith married andrew pearson and had daughter jean and a son andrew .jean pearson owhed a creamery close to george sq until the 1960 s. i would be pleased to hear from anyone with information about my scottish family

peter kinder | Tue Oct 20 2009

IF I can be of help to anyone. I was born and raised in Pollok St.Schools attended Scotland St, Lambhill St. started work as office boy in Fairfield S&E.1946.Still in short trousers. Have fond memories of the area.Have older sister she may be able to answer questions also. Sunday 11 Oct 2009

silvers | Sun Oct 11 2009

IF I can be of help to anyone. I was born and raised in Pollok St.Schools attended Scotland St, Lambhill St. started work as office boy in Fairfield S&E.1946.Still in short trousers. Have fond memories of the area.Have older sister she may be able to answer questions also. Sunday 11 Oct 2009

silvers | Sun Oct 11 2009

Very strong family connections with Kinning park, Plantation, Kingston and Tradeston. Would be interested to hear from anyone with photographs: 50-66 Weir Street (South Kinning Place)and with adjoining backland of Newfield Lane; with 175 and 279 Crookston (now Carnoustie)Street; with 45 Pollok Street (and yet another backland); with 142.5 Houston Street (and the adjoining Ardgowan Place (formerly Bolton Street); and with 77 to 89 West Street, together with 146 Nelson Street. Many thanks! Brian D Henderson

Brian D Henderson | Tue Oct 06 2009

Very strong family connections with Kinning park, Plantation, Kingston and Tradeston. Would be interested to hear from anyone with photographs: 50-66 Weir Street (South Kinning Place)and with adjoining backland of Newfield Lane; with 175 and 279 Crookston (now Carnoustie)Street; with 45 Pollok Street (and yet another backland); with 142.5 Houston Street (and the adjoining Ardgowan Place (formerly Bolton Street); and with 77 to 89 West Street, together with 146 Nelson Street. Many thanks! Brian D Henderson

Brian D Henderson | Tue Oct 06 2009

My Dad attended Queens Park High School and graduated in 1943-44. Any info on photos or any prior graduates available? Am trying to help him locate some - he is 82 years old now! Thank you!

Megi (Morton) Marsters-Garriso | Mon Sep 07 2009

born 1944 lived in ardgowan street. tradeston, near the korky picture house(memories)went to primary school at scotland street followed by lambhill street secondary school 55-60 just to add to your article.behind the houses in mclellan street there was football pitches called the plots (gravel). also the grand ole opry was once the imperial picture house.great article. enjoyed

John Kennedy | Wed Jul 22 2009

great article when walking around kinning park now i can still see the ghosts of us kids playing around and there were loads of us then you missed out the swing park at stanley street where all the kids hung out after we got chocolate from the pipes at the gray dunns factory,

alex bullock | Mon Jul 13 2009

Fantastic!! It is just so hard to find anything about Kinning Park. I was born in 1940 in Seaward St. between Vermont St and Marlow Terrace(the railway wa') It ia quite shattering to see how little is left of KP due to the M8. I've been back there a few times and believe you me there are a lot of ghosts there, mainly the sounds of we'ans playing and shouting where Seaward, Vermont Keyden and Scotland Streets used to be.

Peter Mitchell | Thu May 28 2009

Fantastic!! It is just so hard to find anything about Kinning Park. I was born in 1940 in Seaward St. between Vermont St and Marlow Terrace(the railway wa') It ia quite shattering to see how little is left of KP due to the M8. I've been back there a few times and believe you me there are a lot of ghosts there, mainly the sounds of we'ans playing and shouting where Seaward, Vermont Keyden and Scotland Streets used to be.

Peter Mitchell | Thu May 28 2009

I was a pupil at Carnoustie Street Junior School in 1952/53. I remember the mobile bath facility that was set up in the school playground each week so the pupils could have the opportunity to take a hot shower. I lived just opposite the school in Carnoustie Street. My Mother's family name was Alice Wither. Although they were a large family, I've lost contact.

David Thomson | Sun Apr 19 2009

me too, this is scarily similar. ""i was born in glasgow at southern general hospital.i lived at shields road in glasgow.i went to scotland street primary school between 1970 or 1971 i am now living in london the past 25 years.i dont miss home in glasgow a lot"" thank you. I am especially interested to find jimmy, my bus riding pal! steve martin

jock neyinc | Fri Mar 13 2009

Could you please send me information about George Street, Paisley, Scotland between the year 1900 and 1923 with somce pictures. My family grew up on George Street and my mother went to the St. Mary's School and she also went to the Paisley Baths to swim. I would like information on the history of Paisley. My Grandmother, Elizabeth McCauley McCafferty owned a music store on George Street, in Paisley during 1915 - 1938 Any information you could give me, or if you could send me a website address with photos, I would apprecitate it. Thank you for your time. Patricia Norton New Jersey USA PianoetForte@aol.com

Patricia Norton | Sat Jan 31 2009

I enjoyed reading your article on Scotland Street School and the surrounding areas. My mother Roberta Wallace and her two sisters Grace and Jean attended Garmouth Street School around 1908. I am interested in tracing their aunt Mary Wallace who married John Monaghan and would like to hear from any readers regarding my search.

Sylvia Clark | Thu Oct 23 2008

I am researching my family tree, and some of my family lived in Middlesex St, Cornwall St, Portman St and Plantation St. My great uncle made a model of St Margarets Church in Portman St. His name was James Gallacher other relative names were Mary Todd, Elizabeth, Sarah, Hugh and George Deveney. I would be interested if anyone has heard of any of my relatives or who would know about St Margaret's church

Geraldine McNealey | Thu May 29 2008

I was born in the "pen" in nicholson street in 1958. I am trying to find out a bit more about it or possibly a photograph of it. can anyone help

margaret bremner | Sat Apr 05 2008

iam looking for info regarding carnoustie st/scotland/st schools from 1952/to/1955 as i was a pupil during these dates. would like to find out. about two photos from these dates as there is only two any info would be much appreciated margaret osborne d.o.b 1947 contact at this email

connie macdonald | Thu Apr 03 2008

very interesting article. Give me a good idea where my ancestors lived. Searching John and Margaret Russell family. In1891 they lived at68 McLellan Street, Govan. Children Thomas, Christina,Margaret, Jane, John and Robert. If anyone is searching the Russell family I would love to hear from them. In 1901 the family was living 1 Fairley Street, Govan. John worked at the shipyards. Thanks Joan B.C. Canada

Joan Letsos | Fri Jan 11 2008

I was brought up in Tradeston Carnoustie St. Went to Scotland St School 1960-65 then on to Lambhill St sec school for one year. Moved to Priesthill in 1968 to make way for the Kingston bridge?. I have visited the school several time with my son and daughter and they were fasinated that we had no eletronic gagets we did not even have a television intil we moved to priesthill, Oh happy days.

John Henderson | Tue Sep 18 2007

I was born Bethia Fraser on 6/1/1941 in Camden Street Glasgow. I left with my parents, brothers and sisters in 1951 at the age of 10 years. I have never lost my love of Glasgow and wish I could catch up with the relations of of my Grandfather John Goodwillie, my mothers maiden name was Jessie McGregor Goodwillie and we lived at 110 Camden Street. One day I would like to make a trip back, but Australia is quite far away.

Bethia McDonald | Fri Aug 31 2007

Found your article to be very interesting. I am researching James McCallum who was born in 1816 'NEAR GLASGOW' & wondered if it might be Tradeston or? In 1816, what would be considered 'near Glasgow' as his burial record in a cemetery in Ontario, Canada states? His parents were James & Christian--and wouldn't you know it? No maiden name was shown! Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I should start searching to find where, in 1816, my James McCallum was born? I would greatly welcome ANY suggestions with THANKS.

Beverly (McLellan) Martorano | Thu Aug 16 2007

i was born in glasgow at paisley hospital.i lived at shields road in glasgow.i went to scotland street primary school between 1970 or 1971 i am now living in london the past 19 years.i miss home in glasgow a lot. also i went to gorbols secondry school in 1975 thank you.

kalden | Mon Jun 11 2007

Interesting article. I wonder if you might know of a place called SHanks End, Govanhaugh, that existed pre 1836. I'd like to know what it was. my ancestor gave it as an address for his wages to be sent, so it was a property or a tavern or some kind of civil centre perhaps? Cheers Maree-rose in Australia

maree-rose | Mon Apr 16 2007

Left Glasgow when I was 11, only sorry I didnt appreciate it at that age. Born in Govan, went back in the eighties to find Garmouth St., but nothing looked the same. Loved the article, could almost see what you saw. Dont suppose you know what the nearest catholic primary school to Neptune St. in the 1940s would have been? Trying to trace mothers family without much success.

Catherine Monaghan | Tue Oct 10 2006

I really enjoyed this article. I have an interest in the industrial history of Glasgow and have often walked around the Tradeston / Scotland Street area during my lunch hour. It is only in the last week that I have had the opportunity to visit Scotland Street School. What caught my eye was an aerial photo of the area, taken I think in the 1950's which shows what has now gone ! Searching the internet after the visit, I came across another aerial photo from the 1930's (Mitchell Digital) which shows Scotland Street West & Kinning Park. This photo like the one in the school, shows clearly what a vast area, full of industrious endeavour it was. People today often say what a marvellous city Glasgow is and that is true. However, I cannot help but ask what the current generation's contribution has been to the "Second City".

D W Scott | Wed Aug 23 2006

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